It's time for President Obama to step up!

$500 billion, Dude? Evidence please. Seems hyperbolic to me. Gosh, that's what Bush spent on the Iraq war - 2003 until 2009 (not including future payments for the medical care of the tens of thousand (?) wounded).
 
lmao............(see above).........""even if it means importing them". Like Ive been saying for years, the 21%ers have zero understanding about the market no matter what you're tallking.
So s0n............where exactly are we going to import them from? Mars?

Got something about open competition? I thought that was the way to keep down prices. Open up competition around the globe. Why let the drug companies have a monopoly on what they charge us? Where can we import from? Any country that meets our demanding safety standards
 
$500 billion, Dude? Evidence please. Seems hyperbolic to me. Gosh, that's what Bush spent on the Iraq war - 2003 until 2009 (not including future payments for the medical care of the tens of thousand (?) wounded).
Misspoke.

That's $500 million....1/2 billion.

Like that doesn't grossly inflate the costs of medications and treatments in the first place.

Your "golly, we could be wasting this money on my favorite stupid programs" protestations are irrelevant and nonwithstanding.
 
As usual, you also neglect to factor in the costs associated with states keeping their citizens captive to in-state insurance providers, and an FDA red tape monster that forces pharm companies and medical equipment inventors to go through approval processes that cost in excess of $500 MILLION (fixed) per approval......And those are just for starters.

But g'head and keep the DNC yammering points a-comin.

I agree with allowing insurers to compete in all states. Put it on the internet, let the consumer pick from hundreds of offerors
I'm also OK with eliminating red tape in getting FDA approval. But with restrictions on patent extensions allowed before a drug can go generic. As long as we are talking free trade, let me buy my drugs from the cheapest source available. Even if it means importing them. Make doctors and hospitals advertise what procedures are going to cost as well as impartial ratings of which doctors and hospitals are the best and who is not cutting it.
Patents are one of the few legitimate functions of the federal gubmint.

I see no moral hazard in a brief time frame of monopoly on a certain product to recoup R&D costs and make a profit commensurate fro being the inventor of something new and valuable.

I have no problems with re-importing drugs, either...If countries are stupid enough to subsidize American pharmaceuticals, then I don't have a problem with Americans getting in on that stupidity.

However, none of those market-based changes to the system are in the current fascist takeover bill....They want it all and they want it now.
 
As usual, you also neglect to factor in the costs associated with states keeping their citizens captive to in-state insurance providers, and an FDA red tape monster that forces pharm companies and medical equipment inventors to go through approval processes that cost in excess of $500 MILLION (fixed) per approval......And those are just for starters.

But g'head and keep the DNC yammering points a-comin.

I agree with allowing insurers to compete in all states. Put it on the internet, let the consumer pick from hundreds of offerors
I'm also OK with eliminating red tape in getting FDA approval. But with restrictions on patent extensions allowed before a drug can go generic. As long as we are talking free trade, let me buy my drugs from the cheapest source available. Even if it means importing them. Make doctors and hospitals advertise what procedures are going to cost as well as impartial ratings of which doctors and hospitals are the best and who is not cutting it.
Patents are one of the few legitimate functions of the federal gubmint.

I see no moral hazard in a brief time frame of monopoly on a certain product to recoup R&D costs and make a profit commensurate fro being the inventor of something new and valuable.

I have no problems with re-importing drugs, either...If countries are stupid enough to subsidize American pharmaceuticals, then I don't have a problem with Americans getting in on that stupidity.

However, none of those market-based changes to the system are in the current fascist takeover bill....They want it all and they want it now.

I agree...there is still much to be done on healthcare. The biggest problem with healthcare right now is escallating costs. republicans claim that it is all due to lawsuits, but a bigger problem is the increase in technology, lack of an ability to comparison shop for services, rising drug costs and unrestrained charges.
My wife spent 3 weeks in the hospital this year. I have a stack of bills an inch thick with no ability to question what was charged and by whom. You have no ability to ask "what is this going to cost?" no ability to comparison shop between hospitals.
Need to open up more competition. Not just in insurance companies but in services
 
Dude,
$500 billion or $500 million, you still don't post the source of your data. Slipping the term 'fascist' into the debate is even more egregious than your use of fuax data.
 
lmao............(see above).........""even if it means importing them". Like Ive been saying for years, the 21%ers have zero understanding about the market no matter what you're tallking.
So s0n............where exactly are we going to import them from? Mars?

Got something about open competition? I thought that was the way to keep down prices. Open up competition around the globe. Why let the drug companies have a monopoly on what they charge us? Where can we import from? Any country that meets our demanding safety standards


CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE KILL ME???!!!!!

Yup........we're all real sure theres alot of innovation in new pharmachologicals coming from places like France, Britain, Canada and Germany!!!:lol::lol::D:funnyface::rofl::eusa_dance::disbelief::lol:
 
lmao............(see above).........""even if it means importing them". Like Ive been saying for years, the 21%ers have zero understanding about the market no matter what you're tallking.
So s0n............where exactly are we going to import them from? Mars?

Got something about open competition? I thought that was the way to keep down prices. Open up competition around the globe. Why let the drug companies have a monopoly on what they charge us? Where can we import from? Any country that meets our demanding safety standards


CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE KILL ME???!!!!!

Yup........we're all real sure theres alot of innovation in new pharmachologicals coming from places like France, Britain, Canada and Germany!!!:lol::lol::D:funnyface::rofl::eusa_dance::disbelief::lol:


And every one of those nations pays less than Americans do...go figure
 
I agree...there is still much to be done on healthcare. The biggest problem with healthcare right now is escallating costs. republicans claim that it is all due to lawsuits, but a bigger problem is the increase in technology, lack of an ability to comparison shop for services, rising drug costs and unrestrained charges.
My wife spent 3 weeks in the hospital this year. I have a stack of bills an inch thick with no ability to question what was charged and by whom. You have no ability to ask "what is this going to cost?" no ability to comparison shop between hospitals.
Need to open up more competition. Not just in insurance companies but in services
The escalating costs are also a product of there being more demand for the relatively less supply and people who treat their insurance as pre-paid medical for stubbed toes and poison ivy.

Having a monopolistic takeover of the industry isn't going to make either of those two situations any better.....Indeed, they'll be made worse.
 
Got something about open competition? I thought that was the way to keep down prices. Open up competition around the globe. Why let the drug companies have a monopoly on what they charge us? Where can we import from? Any country that meets our demanding safety standards


CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE KILL ME???!!!!!

Yup........we're all real sure theres alot of innovation in new pharmachologicals coming from places like France, Britain, Canada and Germany!!!:lol::lol::D:funnyface::rofl::eusa_dance::disbelief::lol:


And every one of those nations pays less than Americans do...go figure




All lefties ever......EVER want to talk about is "price"...........and never "cost". There are "price controls" in Europe because Europeans refuse to pay for any kind of R&D.
Pharmachological innovation in Europe is a JOKE!! IT ALL happens in the United States........of course we're going to pay more................you fcukking asshat!!:lol:
 
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE KILL ME???!!!!!

Yup........we're all real sure theres alot of innovation in new pharmachologicals coming from places like France, Britain, Canada and Germany!!!:lol::lol::D:funnyface::rofl::eusa_dance::disbelief::lol:


And every one of those nations pays less than Americans do...go figure




All lefties ever......EVER want to talk about is "price"...........and never "cost". There are "price controls" in Europe because Europeans refuse to pay for any kind of R&D.
Pharmachological innovation in Europe is a JOKE!! IT ALL happens in the United States........of course we're going to pay more................you fcukking asshat!!:lol:

You need to move out of your mom's basement.

Most of the Nobel Prizes for medicine are won by non profit universities.

Big Pharma just wants to make money off of sick people.
 
Almost all the escalating cost in health care and health insurance is the direct result of government and lawyers.

Almost evey thing the two have done have elevated costs while simultaneously worsening the service component of the health care industry.

Oh and Chris, your definition of universal health care is nonfunctional given that Europeans don't have it.
 
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Almost all the escalating cost in health care and health insurance is the direct result of government and lawyers.

Almost evey thing the two have done have elevated costs while simultaneously worsening the service component of the health care industry.

Wrong.

The elevated costs are due to a number of things.

Big Pharma profits, insurance company profits, liability lawyers, etc....

None of these are government entities.

Every other Western democracy in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone.
 
Almost all the escalating cost in health care and health insurance is the direct result of government and lawyers.

Almost evey thing the two have done have elevated costs while simultaneously worsening the service component of the health care industry.

Wrong.

The elevated costs are due to a number of things.

Big Pharma profits, insurance company profits, liability lawyers, etc....

None of these are government entities.

Every other Western democracy in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare, and they cover everyone.


simpleton analysis of the dull lefty sheep............turn off the NBC news s0n!!!:lol:
 
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Compromise won't work when only one is at the table. It's now (past) time for President Obama to move forward with universal health care for all Americans.
The insurance industry has for too long inserted its agents between the patient and their doctor, putting profit first and medical care a distant second.
A governmental insurance program available to all Americans can be administered more economically then the private sector. Government will not pay huge bonuses, nor need to hire salespersons, district managers, or lawyers to limit payouts.
Cost to medical providers will be reduced as their need to interact with scores of insurance companies will be reduced to one; denials will be eliminated and tort reform will become reality if independent arbitrators are hired to resolve disputes.
See HR 676 for the general idea.

S KooK, please respond to the topic of this thread. I know you disagree, but try very hard to do so, and leave the ad hominem attacks and other logical fallacies out. Evidence speaks louder than "sOn" and other such remarks.
 
Well according to Bill anything is better than nothing, even if that anything is broken. Yup, let's take a system that needs to be fixed and put some more crap in . . . . that will need to be fixed. That's the ticket.

Clinton told Esquire magazine that lawmakers should put together the best health care measure for President Barack Obama, even if it must be fixed later.

Clinton: GOP waiting for Democrats to 'mess up' - Yahoo! News
 
You've been given evidence and ignored it in favor of your socialistic ideology, complete with asininities like "gubmint can make it cheaper", when they have yet to do that in any area with which they've involved themselves.

Dude, I'm not a socialist and you have never posted any evidence to support your opinions. I suspect your posts are efforts to convince others of your righteousness, and that, if true, is pitiful - ad hominem attacks are childish and rarely work.
You have not made any case for your beliefs, in fact, the evidence suggests the current insurance industry driven policy is failing. Both sides of the aisle support reform, the difference being the Republican idea of reform is to allow the industry to reform itself; the Democrats - as usual - have several different ideas on how reform is to be accomplished.

In my opinon, free universal preventative health/dental care ought to be available to all citizens, as a right, and provided by the Federal Government. This includes education, periodic physicals based on age, innoculations against disease, contraceptives and other routine preventative treatments, such as meds for diabetes, high blood pressue, etc.

Treatment for minor illness or injury should be fee based and paid for at the time of treatment, by either private insurance or the patient (today county hospitals provide this service as well as major medical to the uninsured, at tax payer expense).
I could go on and explain in further detail how I believe systemic change could and should be implemented, but why? Those of you on the right have heard all you need to know about health care from Limbaugh, et al; so remember, be scared of change. And, if you ever begin to think, remember this: SOCIALISM (scary, huh?).
 
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I've posted links and you are a socialist.

Your opinions as to what new socialistic do-gooder programs should be added to the already voluminous menu of them, are entirely unsupportable through the performance of all of those which have come before.

If someone is as intellectually lazy as you present yourself, what's the point in going through all the bother?
 

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