It's the Republicans turn to learn a lesson about the tea party

Hope you don't mind if I'm a butinsky, ag workers don't make much and only work seasonal except for a few. Many are now drawing welfare or some sort of public service. Never use to be this way. Use to be a good field to work in as I remember. Made good money once until much of it went to overseas (imports). Nowadays one cannot barely make a living. That and the so called guest worker program which allows employers to pay a lower wage. Over the years I've seen the writting on the walls and prepared for what I've seen coming. Thank goodness I did.

That is a problem that goes across the board. Ag workers are not the only ones eating it, most people without a degree are just screwed in this country. Welcome to a life of serfdom.

We live in a world where everyone blames the poor working man because he is on food stamps and cash/housing assistance. We blame them for having to be on medicaid. The reality is the people they work for should be ponying up. This idea that corporation can hire someone so far below the costs of living, and then dumb the responsability on the government has got to come to an end.

Corporate welfare is a worse problem then individual welfare. It all has got to go, im sick of paying for it.

There is a large difference in the "poor" and "the needy".
Who determines who is which? Government?:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Or the families, communities, churches, social groups and local charities?
Why do we fund programs for food and cash to "the poor" when many have other resources such as family to help them?
Why should I pay for the "poor" to eat when they possibly have family to help them?
Corporations do not receive welfare. They do receive too many incentives, tax rebates, credits and tax loop holes that could be easily closed. That is not welfare. The government gives them NO CASH.

Yes corporations do recieve welfare. They recieve tons of it. You strike me as a reasonable fellow so here are a few examples

Food stamps: I got a picture on my phone of frozen lobster at a local dillions. It has a big bright orange sticker that stays 'food stampable'. You think they dont have a high profit margin in stuff like that?? Another food stamp example is most convenience stores. Quick-trips around these parts make a killing off food stamps. How many times have you seen someone ringing up 15 bucks worth of junk food on food stamps? I see it frequently.

Tax incentives: Take the tax incentive a couple years back to buy a car. Thats taxpayer welfare strait to corporate power. You know last year our top three performing corporations profited more money then what all of them paid in taxes? Thats welfare. When government passes a law requiring the public to purchase a good or service, thats welfare. Stimulus bailout are welfare. Federal Reserve operates entirely on welfare, were the government not behind them they would be out of business. Anytime a corporation lobbies the government to gain something and gets it, thats welfare.

Health Care: This one is the worst because it has caused such a huge distortion to the market, and it has such a direct impact on the population. Lets start with big pharma and medicaid. Did you know that most pharmacutical companies operate on a 70+% profit margin? Thats after paying for 'managerical costs' which mean 'executive pay'. How many elderly do you know that are taking LESS then 6 pills a day, all on medicare and medicaid. These companies have the best customer ever, the federal government. They buy the most, pay the most, and never run out of money.

The bottom line is the framing of an argument. Since business ownes the media they have gotten by with a great fallacy. That fallacy is that when a human being recieves government assistance, its welfare. When business recieves government assistance, its a regulation, or a law, or whatever they want to call it. But its all the same thing, and it all comes from the same place.

The American middle class. Maybe thats why the harder you work, the more it feels like your getting nowhere.
 
Another food stamp example is most convenience stores.

Resturants are another to be coming soon to accept food stamps. Here in this state anyway resturants will soon be accepting food stamps. Heh heh, the area I live in is ripe with rich people. Lots of brand new SUV's, pickups and new cars. Funny how I worked all my life and could never afford one. Welfare based economy. It's sad, my wife and I can no longer afford to go out once in a while like we use to and we were both working.

These companies have the best customer ever, the federal government.

Now, may I add all the gang bangers being shot. Here just in the immediate area there are about 4-5 drive bys a weeks with a 2-3 getting shot going into the hospitals. These people don't have the money to pay for their injuries so we pay for it as the money is spread out to all of us. Some even are in intensive care. Imagine the cost of that. I could also give other examples.

Btw, since there may be a shut down of our government here soon, maybe that would be a good time to replace all those morons in D.C. heh heh. Imagine going back to work and their positions have already been filled and they all have pinks slips. Would be to funny.
 
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Jackson
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We as citizens have to support opur TP leaders and understand we have to take the cuts in a smaller government while insuring our children's future and making people responsible again.

And just where are those cuts coming from, the working poor and middle class? The republicans, tea partiers and democrats can put their cuts where the sun doesn't shine. Only way to save this country is to cut from those that want to impose their cuts on us and not them. I myself can think of many ways to make cuts without harming the working poor and middle classes.
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This gentleman has made two suggestions just right here.

I know the idea is unsavory, but the cuts are going to come from everywhere. 14 trillion now, will likely be 17 trillion by time the election is settled ... You aren't going to find 17 trillion by just looking at the rich, or the businesses, or the DOD, or in entitlements ....

The cuts will be to EVERYTHING
 
I know the idea is unsavory, but the cuts are going to come from everywhere. 14 trillion now, will likely be 17 trillion by time the election is settled ... You aren't going to find 17 trillion by just looking at the rich, or the businesses, or the DOD, or in entitlements ....

I guess you're right. It's just l'd like to see those who are responsible for this mess held responsible but that will never happen, huh. Worse that would happen to them is they'd lose their job only to pop up elsewhere to create another mess. Anyhow, I'm tired of this all and it's time I finish up here and on other threads, I've said what I've needed to say. Won't do any good and now all I'm doing is waiting. On this end I've been sucessful in a final complete redrawel from this community that I live in, I've achieved my ultimate goal, I am now a 97% hermit. Now I no longer have to deal with a job and people, thank goodness. Have a good life.
 
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As a member of the Tea Party, I am a registered Republican because they more closely resemble my beliefs. And those beliefs are very simple really: Government is too big, it spends too much money, and it tries to do too much.

Republicans better heed the Tea Party. Rockefeller republicans ARE NOT receiving any support from the Tea Party and they will not. I assure you that Tea Party members vote and they vote in the primary as well as the general election. You get a large government Republican, and they're going to be HISTORY.
 
Although I stated I was no longer going to do any posting, I couldn't help myself after reading this article the other day. The title is worded wrong by the media yet it portrays the views of many Americans nowadays. Seems we are on the way to our "American Spring" and about time heh heh. Many know that big business and co-ops have hijacked our political system with corruption (this includes the tea party).


NYT: Global protests share scorn for democracy - World news - The New York Times - msnbc.com
Someone had to step in, Mr. Levi said, because “the political system has abandoned its citizens”.
 
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The majority of entitlement holders aren't lazy bums...just people who need a little help to get back on their feet.

The majority of corporations aren't evil advantage-takers...just companies trying to survive and flourish.

Nevertheless, this rhetoric on both sides would have you believe that we live in a country of good for nothing freeloaders and evil cabals of business. Corporate influence HAS gotten too much. To some extent the nanny state mythology IS real.

I just see fingerpointing that's getting us nowhere.
 
The majority of entitlement holders aren't lazy bums...just people who need a little help to get back on their feet.

The majority of corporations aren't evil advantage-takers...just companies trying to survive and flourish.

Nevertheless, this rhetoric on both sides would have you believe that we live in a country of good for nothing freeloaders and evil cabals of business. Corporate influence HAS gotten too much. To some extent the nanny state mythology IS real.

I just see fingerpointing that's getting us nowhere.

I would be more interested in how we get to the end game. I just dont see how we get past the prison yard standoff.
 
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The majority of entitlement holders aren't lazy bums...just people who need a little help to get back on their feet.

How are you defining entitlement holders? If you are thinking of SS and medicare, then I suggest you try getting the deduction removed from your paycheck as you can with your federal withholding for a year. Good luck with that.
 
We are not blind republicans, the way business was done in the past is IN THE PAST ... Your great love affair with the idea of Repub owning all houses and the oval office is going to happen, but the Tea Party does like "business as usual" Washington

We don't care about what party your in. WE DONT CARE if your a DEM or a REP ... Cut the freakin spending of our money. You think it's bad with this budget "impass" ... Look at the future, there will be A LOT more tea party people in government in just over a year.

Get the spending under control, you are not our buddies either, we may agree on a lot of things, but aparently spending isn't one of them and securing our childrens future by getting this governments spending under control trumps all other things that we see on like terms

Is it about the rag-tag bunch of idiots pissing in the street on Wall Street? Is this a veiled threat by the (international?) left that more pro-socialist demonstrations will come unless we renounce capitalism? How is it lesson for the Tea Party and why does the left fear an innocent bunch of middle aged conservatives so much? What a laugh.
 
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Is it about the rag-tag bunch of idiots pissing in the street on Wall Street? Is this a veiled threat by the (international?) left that more pro-socialist demonstrations will come unless we renounce capitalism? How is it lesson for the Tea Party and why does the left fear an innocent bunch of middle aged conservatives so much? What a laugh.

Democratic and republican globalisatsion? Go ahead and laugh, you are what you eat. Have you got kids your feeding this garbage to. We cannot even ensure our own food supply is safe, canolopes come to mind? Oh well, keep voting em in, they'll keep cutting the funding for your food inspections. What are your priorities?
Tainted seafood reaching U.S., experts say - Health - Food safety - msnbc.com
Tainted seafood reaching American tables, experts say
80 percent of seafood in U.S. is imported, some contains banned drugs
 
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"tainted seafood from overseas" ... Let me guess, you don't fish much do you. Go to any lake in the NY/NJ area and read the warning signs that are posted. The fish in those locations are only safe to eat once a week, any more and you risk contamination ... Last time I checked, those were Dem controlled states (until resent elections)

It's great that they are giving the scare tactic lines about overseas imports when we have the same problem here.

News flash

It's not industrial waste that is poisoning our fish. It's you and me. It's not Dupont, it's those living in your house and those living in my house. Water treatment plants are designed to remove certain things, caffine is not one of them. We are poisoning our own fish by going to starbucks and the to the washroom afterwards.

Let's start a petition shall we ... Ban all caffine .... Yeah right ... Let's start with cleaning up the waste in Washington and tackle the smaller problems after that
 
"tainted seafood from overseas" ... Let me guess, you don't fish much do you. Go to any lake in the NY/NJ area and read the warning signs that are posted. The fish in those locations are only safe to eat once a week, any more and you risk contamination ... Last time I checked, those were Dem controlled states (until resent elections)

It's great that they are giving the scare tactic lines about overseas imports when we have the same problem here.

News flash

It's not industrial waste that is poisoning our fish. It's you and me. It's not Dupont, it's those living in your house and those living in my house. Water treatment plants are designed to remove certain things, caffine is not one of them. We are poisoning our own fish by going to starbucks and the to the washroom afterwards.

Let's start a petition shall we ... Ban all caffine .... Yeah right ... Let's start with cleaning up the waste in Washington and tackle the smaller problems after that

And you know why??? Because of the very regulations that the right says are wasteful. Individuals who throw a coffee collar into the water are more dangerous than corporations. Thanks, Federal Government!!
 
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It's great that they are giving the scare tactic lines about overseas imports when we have the same problem here.

Use to fish all the time and there is nothing wrong with my eyes or memory. The cities upriver, whenever there were some light flooding or their pipes broke, discharged their sewage into the same river. They still do. Scare tactics, I hardly think so. You must be a city boy heh heh.
When I was younger, back in the late 50's, I stood on the bridge that crosses the local river here and looked down into the water, I could see bottom. Not so today. Those fish in that river have maggots in their flesh also.
So, don't tell me about scare tactics heh heh. Btw, I've also worked as QC for many years, I know what happens in fresh foods and fruit production. Whether your a democrat or republican, good luck about convincing me about scare tactics.
Also, remember the chemicals in the Chinese imported milk and metals in children's toys? If you don't, you are one of the many that have a short memory.
 
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Im not a big fan of importing food from anywhere. Its bad enough that we are reliant on Oil from overseas, but to become relient on Food as well .... Thats just scary to me.

Im not saying that reguation in industrial polusion are or were not needed. Nor am i saying that our rivers and lakes are in great shape, but the reasons are so varied that its almost imposisble to stop it from happening without ending all industrial activities and reducing the population a great deal, both of which Im not in favor of.

Complaining about imported fish is so low on my radar that i simply dont care, i care more about our own fish industry and trying to find was to make it say to "live off the land" which is next to impossible given the state of the streams and lakes nowadays
 
Firehorse
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Im not a big fan of importing food from anywhere. Its bad enough that we are reliant on Oil from overseas, but to become relient on Food as well .... Thats just scary to me.

Same here.

Im not saying that reguation in industrial polusion are or were not needed. Nor am i saying that our rivers and lakes are in great shape, but the reasons are so varied that its almost imposisble to stop it from happening without ending all industrial activities

Again, I agree. However, we can minimize the impacts.

reducing the population a great deal,

I am however in favor of reducing the population, not only nationally but world wide. Can only put so much water in a bucket. I've been seeing issues with over population in this area, example, at one time we had plenty of water. Now there is not enough to go around and the state is trying to find ways to get more. That and prime farm lands are being put under housing.

Complaining about imported fish is so low on my radar that i simply dont care,

Should if you and your family eat sea foods or any other type of foods. As I've said, I've seen what companies do when the USDA leaves. This in conjunction with losing farm lands and water is not good for our nation. I do agree with all the other issues which are occuring which our government seems to ignore. Eventually all the issues will add up to one big one. I'm curious as to what will happen then.

While I'm an isolationist, isolationism does not mean we cannot have trade. We would have more control of what we import as to it's safety. Our politicians are going about everything wrong.
 
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So, there is one republican casting his support to an extent behind the OccupyWallStreet movenment, interesting. I find this somewhat amusing when billionares like Bloomberg are critizing them heh heh. Maybe Paul knows something we don't?
 

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