It's the consequences...Dammit!

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
No, I don't. And it presupposes no such thing. It merely provides an objective measure by which to determine whether our actions are moral or not. It does not rely upon someone from a priestly class giving us their interpretation of divine law. That is true moral relativism...The subjective, arbitrary pronouncements from on high.

That's moral absolutism.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Even according to Bully's "affect on humanity in this world" criteria, conservatism, capitalism, and free trade have proven proven superior. Come on, Bully, question this; I dare you.

There's nothing to question...Capitalism and free trade are superior, but they cannot operate in a vaccum. Corporations must operate with the consequences of their actions on the society around in mind. If they poison the community around them, is that moral? If they lay waste to the environment around tehm, is that moral? If their practicies knowingly lead to the harm of their employees, is that moral?

Until we have a rational society wherein the consequences of business decisions are taken into account in their formulation, there will continue to be a need for regultory agencies like OSHA, the EPA, and various other agencies to keep the excesses of business in check.

As to the conservative part...Liberals or conservatives, same shit, different name.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
That's moral absolutism.

How so? How does basing morality in terms of real consequences, Here...Now...constitute moral absolutism?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
There's nothing to question...Capitalism and free trade are superior, but they cannot operate in a vaccum. Corporations must operate with the consequences of their actions on the society around in mind. If they poison the community around them, is that moral? If they lay waste to the environment around tehm, is that moral? If their practicies knowingly lead to the harm of their employees, is that moral?

I'm not suggesting we disband the EPA.
Terms of employment contracts should be enforced by law. Is that what you mean?

Until we have a rational society wherein the consequences of business decisions are taken into account in their formulation, there will continue to be a need for regultory agencies like OSHA, the EPA, and various other agencies to keep the excesses of business in check.

As to the conservative part...Liberals or conservatives, same shit, different name.

Again, I don't want to disband all government regulatory agencies. Nice straw man.



I'm glad you see the superiority of capitalism and free markets.


Liberals and conservatives are very different. To state otherwise is ignorant of the world and it's people.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Liberals and conservatives are very different. To state otherwise is ignorant of the world and it's people.

That ignorance has already proven its self many times over.

I find it funny when people spin their brains into a whirlwind of daydreams to escape the responsibility and morals demanded by the real world.

It shows they are spineless, lazy, egotistical people who would rather run from God, deny responsibility for their actions, blame the "system" and claim the government owes them something.

Meanwhile REAL people try to live Godly lives, work twice as hard to support these lazy bums, and try to fight the corruption created by this "victim mentality". They also have to fight the programs and education that are corrupted by the laziness and moral relativistic view which bring down the honest and hard working.

Thanks to a taxed system advocated by the sissies as well, you work for a dollar, and get 50 cents.

Seems to me the tea party was over a lower level of tax.

These morally bankrupt socialists REALLY ought to get their head out before it is too late.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by NewGuy
That ignorance has already proven its self many times over.

I find it funny when people spin their brains into a whirlwind of daydreams to escape the responsibility and morals demanded by the real world.

It shows they are spineless, lazy, egotistical people who would rather run from God, deny responsibility for their actions, blame the "system" and claim the government owes them something.

Meanwhile REAL people try to live Godly lives, work twice as hard to support these lazy bums, and try to fight the corruption created by this "victim mentality". They also have to fight the programs and education that are corrupted by the laziness and moral relativistic view which bring down the honest and hard working.

Thanks to a taxed system advocated by the sissies as well, you work for a dollar, and get 50 cents.

Seems to me the tea party was over a lower level of tax.

These morally bankrupt socialists REALLY ought to get their head out before it is too late.

If your just gonna go on an unrelated, orthogonal rant, you don't need to quote my posts.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
If your just gonna go on an unrelated, orthogonal rant, you don't need to quote my posts.

But its fun.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by NewGuy
But its fun.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

For those who hate the two party system. Consider this.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...43877.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Berlusconi's Gov't Set to Break Record


By Associated Press

May 4, 2004, 12:41 PM EDT
ROME -- Premier Silvio Berlusconi's government becomes the longest-lasting in the history of the Italian Republic this week, nearing three years in office -- no small feat in a country where notoriously wobbly coalitions have collapsed at a rate of one a year since World War II.
Since the republic was founded in 1946, Italy has had 59 governments. A 1972 administration set the brevity record, falling after 10 days. The longest was that of the Socialist leader Bettino Craxi, at 1,059 days from 1983-86.
Berlusconi swept to victory at the helm of a conservative coalition in May 2001 elections. His government, which was formed a month later, tied Craxi's record Tuesday. It was setting a new record on Wednesday.
Much of the blame for Italy's political wobbles can be cast on an electoral system that produced patchwork coalitions and gave small parties the power to topple an administration. The electoral system was reformed a decade ago, paving the way for Berlusconi's record.
Berlusconi was premier once before, in 1994, but his government collapsed after seven months in office when a key ally pulled out of the coalition.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
I'm not suggesting we disband the EPA.
Terms of employment contracts should be enforced by law. Is that what you mean?


Again, I don't want to disband all government regulatory agencies. Nice straw man.



I'm glad you see the superiority of capitalism and free markets.


Liberals and conservatives are very different. To state otherwise is ignorant of the world and it's people.

Well golly...We agree on some things.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
Well golly...We agree on some things.

Apparently so. Dammit!

 

[musicman]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
..... basing morality in terms of real consequences, Here...Now........

Let's follow your reasoning to it's logical conclusion.

If you commit murder and get away with it, there are no real consequences for you, Here......Now...... .

Does that mean that murder is not immoral....... for you?

Sorry--I think the world has seen this kind of "morality" before.