Its over for Obama, this is why

It's over for Obama because all those people that voted for him out of some kind of inner need to prove to themselves that they certainly aren't racist won't have to prove that to themselves again this time. This time they'll need to prove how smart they can be by not choosing based on exterior color (it's what's under the hood that counts, choose something running on more than 3 cylinders this time please, people). And, that commie can't bribe and buy as many votes with any real promises of free entitlements/kickbacks this time either because our nation is now worse than broke, were in debt. Embarrassing. Ghetto. Who wants more of that?

Again, you work on the assumption that folks who voted for Obama were trying to "prove they weren't racist".

I've never met a person yet whose told me, "I voted for Obama, you can't ever call me a racist". Probably because that person would be laughed at.

People voted for Obama because Bush had failed so miserably, and McCain didn't offer much of a difference.

And neither will Romney.

Let's assume that there are folks out there who voted for Obama and now realize that they made a huge mistake. How often do you admit major mistakes? Do you say, "Wow, I really fucked up big time", or do you rationalize your mistake in some way?

Fact is, you need a really compelling guy to get someone to admit to themselves they made a mistake and make a really different choice.

And Mitt Romney is not that compelling. He's having a hard time with an internet punchline who was polling in single digits four months ago.

what amazes me is people claim GWB failed and that Obama has not?
GWB thru 2 wars
Enron
7 major hurricanes

kept the UE rate at or around 5% until the dems took over congress
created millions of jobs and had The defict within 163 billion of even in 2007, again the year the dems took over congress

this is about BHO, not GWB
Ok? get it?
 
As I read through this post to familiarize myself I couldn’t help observing that everything said boils down to a lot of opinions on who’s better, the Republicans or Democrats. And God forbid that we should even entertain the notion that maybe both parties are the problem. No, we dutifully go to vote, time after time, thinking that if our candidate is elected things will get better. Belying this curiously naive notion is the fact that of our last four presidents, two of which were Democrats and two Republicans, no president has done anything of substance that is good for this nation and its people and no president has reversed anything the others did while in office even though they were elected to for that reason.

Why this is the case is because our last four presidents are globalists and being globalists, their first allegiance is to the New World Order. Therefore, the political discourse which we value so highly is just a tool used by them to keep us embroiled in a “great debate” that signifies nothing while all the important decisions are made behind our backs with no input from us. Isn’t it time for Americans to wake up and realize that Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and that coin is owned and controlled by the New World Order.
 
CNN Poll: Afghan war support hits new low – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

HURT: Brutal week for Obama, the worst of his presidency - Washington Times


Obama allowed the GOP to vote on his budget numbers, that for some reason his own party voted the same

The war has found a place with 0 leadership from Washington. I remeber the left in 05 and 06 blaming GWB for every-thing, the war in Iraq was lost. But with his leadersdhip look where it is today and where the war in Afgahn is. BHO has had 3 years to alter its path

His helath-care reform bill has done nothing but split this nation worse than it was, as the left keep saying "brace yourself for another 5-4 vote"

The ever changing "available work force" numbers have the UE rate @ 8.4%, its fooling no-one

Gas, stating the supply has nothing to do with the price of gas while "leaking" news that the SPR is about to "sell" some more oil the tax payer owns to lower the price, by adding to the supply?

As the President, an event in Florida in which a minor was shot, has no place for him, much less the Rev Jesse Jackson, he needs to realize who he is getting in bed with while millions still are without a job and gas is close to 4.00 a gallon

whats up with the "after the election" comment with the Russians? The american people are on a need to know basis?

The wheels have come off, and all he knows to do is the same thing he did in 2008

Obama lied his way into the white-house in 08, that will fail him in 2012

Wanna make it interesting? Simple bet; I'll take Obama against the Republican Field. If the Republicans Win, I change my tag line to "All hail President ______, your President, My President, Our President" and leave it there until January 1. If Obama wins, you change yours to "All hail President Obama, your President, My President, Our President" and leave it there until January 1.

You're not chicken are you?

So do we have a bet?
 
JoeB131 said:
I've never met a person yet whose told me, "I voted for Obama, you can't ever call me a racist". Probably because that person would be laughed at.

You've proved my point, that's exactly why many won't admit such a thing. Yet you and I and many many others KNOW that MANY did vote for Obama simply because he said he was and looked black. Blacks even admitted they voted for him because he is, or they thought he was, a fellow brother .. and would give them all free shit.

LOL, what we need now at this dire moment is a female candidate, hey, a gay one to boot. Obama would be sure to loose in the mad rush of everyone trying to prove to themselves they ain't a chauvinist or homophobe, LOL. :lol:

I can't see any other reason anyone might feel compelled to vote for Obama other than to prove they aren't (or weren't) a racist, or do you want to be a slave to a dear leader nanny state that mingles in your personal life and affairs?

I didn't vote for Obama last time. I will vote for him this time because I hate Mitt Romney with a passion.

I also don't work on the delusion that these guys have any real control over events one way or the other.

Obama won last time because Bush gave us a recession and a war.

Obama got us out of the war, and well, the recession can be up for debate, but things are better than they were. So he'll probably win.

And because Romney is just a shitty candidate.
 
Regardless obama or mittens it will be a 4th bush, but cute that you think otherwise.

Yea I would hate 5% UE and deficts that were 163 billion
Damn what would we do with that?
Those days were the worst, we are so much better off now huh?

Dems took cogress over in 07 and the white house in 09 and boy has it gotten better huh?

Lol that's not going to happen under mittens,but you keep wishing for it.

Well I would rather take a shot that it might happen under Mitt then vote for Obama who I know won't make it happen.
 
Regardless obama or mittens it will be a 4th bush, but cute that you think otherwise.

Yea I would hate 5% UE and deficts that were 163 billion
Damn what would we do with that?
Those days were the worst, we are so much better off now huh?

Dems took cogress over in 07 and the white house in 09 and boy has it gotten better huh?

Lol that's not going to happen under mittens,but you keep wishing for it.

I think his point was that these were the way things were under Bush. But that was't as good a 4% unemployment and 200 billion dollar surpluses under Clinton.
 
what amazes me is people claim GWB failed and that Obama has not?
GWB thru 2 wars
Enron
7 major hurricanes

kept the UE rate at or around 5% until the dems took over congress
created millions of jobs and had The defict within 163 billion of even in 2007, again the year the dems took over congress

this is about BHO, not GWB
Ok? get it?

The fail or succeed question kind of comes with the old Reagan Question.

Are you better off today than you were four (or eight) years ago.

I can honestly say, I was worse off in 2008 than I was in 2000. I voted for Bush twice, I defend him here against some of the more unfair claims. But things were worse. Maybe not his fault.

For Obama- Can you say that you are better off? Well, a lot of people can say they are. The stock market has recovered what it lost, unemployment is getting better, the economy is growing, etc. Everyone agrees Obama got a shitty hand and made the best of it.

More importantly, though, Romney is barely winning over Republicans. And he can't "Etch-O-Sketch" over and try to win over people with no investment in him emotionally.
 
CNN Poll: Afghan war support hits new low – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

HURT: Brutal week for Obama, the worst of his presidency - Washington Times


Obama allowed the GOP to vote on his budget numbers, that for some reason his own party voted the same

The war has found a place with 0 leadership from Washington. I remeber the left in 05 and 06 blaming GWB for every-thing, the war in Iraq was lost. But with his leadersdhip look where it is today and where the war in Afgahn is. BHO has had 3 years to alter its path

His helath-care reform bill has done nothing but split this nation worse than it was, as the left keep saying "brace yourself for another 5-4 vote"

The ever changing "available work force" numbers have the UE rate @ 8.4%, its fooling no-one

Gas, stating the supply has nothing to do with the price of gas while "leaking" news that the SPR is about to "sell" some more oil the tax payer owns to lower the price, by adding to the supply?

As the President, an event in Florida in which a minor was shot, has no place for him, much less the Rev Jesse Jackson, he needs to realize who he is getting in bed with while millions still are without a job and gas is close to 4.00 a gallon

whats up with the "after the election" comment with the Russians? The american people are on a need to know basis?

The wheels have come off, and all he knows to do is the same thing he did in 2008

Obama lied his way into the white-house in 08, that will fail him in 2012

- The war is pretty much a non-issue. We are withdrawing from Iraq and are scheduled to withdraw from Afghanistan in 2014.

- Independents aren't worked up over healthcare. It's not that it is a non-issue but it's not the same issue as it was in 2010.

- Employment is getting better. Deal with it. Arguing about which unemployment figure is the "real" number is a loser's game.

- Obama has a real shot to win Florida. Tea Party governor Rick Scott is polling at the lowest level in the history of polling in Florida. If Rubio is on the ticket, Obama will likely lose Florida.

- About your only valid argument is gas prices. That is pretty powerful.

Otherwise, your reasons for why "it's over" for is merely ideological pap. Republicans like markets, right? Well, the Intrade market has Obama's chances of being re-elected at 60%. So either markets don't work or it's not quite yet over for Obama.
 
I didn't vote for Obama last time. I will vote for him this time because I hate Mitt Romney with a passion.

Don't think of just yourself you selfish people out there, on both sides. Think of those that can't vote yet, our children, grandchildren, the yet to be born. You want our descendants born into bondage, subjected to communism, socialism, their individuality and inalienable freedoms and rights stripped from them, living like those north Koreans, worshipping dear deader because their very lives depend upon doing so?

Gawd, I know most of you humans probably deserve a north Korea lifestyle, but do your descendants deserve that?

Unreal, how can so many be so easily brainwashed?
 
Yea I would hate 5% UE and deficts that were 163 billion
Damn what would we do with that?
Those days were the worst, we are so much better off now huh?

Dems took cogress over in 07 and the white house in 09 and boy has it gotten better huh?

Lol that's not going to happen under mittens,but you keep wishing for it.

I think his point was that these were the way things were under Bush. But that was't as good a 4% unemployment and 200 billion dollar surpluses under Clinton.

actually the UE rate under GWB got below 5% and
the surplus you speak of was done with a GOP congress as was the small deficts we had after 9-11 and prior to the 2007 democratic take over of congress

simply put, no wars, not defict
until 08 any-way
and let me add those wars were not of choice as well as the will of the people
 
Lol that's not going to happen under mittens,but you keep wishing for it.

I think his point was that these were the way things were under Bush. But that was't as good a 4% unemployment and 200 billion dollar surpluses under Clinton.

Bush was a mirage.....See ( and here comes a rant) the problem with people like JRK is they are short sighted. So when the collapse happened they where chickens with their heads cutoff. They didnt bother to pay attention to what lead up to the collapse.

Now if they do lay blame they tend to blame one section that created the mess, and it is typically within a narrow point of time as well. Its more like the Right held congress from 94-06 and the dems from 07-10.....Kinda not balanced there. Sure the democrats didnt help and really didnt do much to stop Bush nor Obama from spending.

Then you have the fact that these people when slightly poked will vote Republican regardless of their rhetoric during the off election seasons. They are basically all talk.

And then you have the people who just blantantly ignore reality. Like people who don't think mittens flipflop, or people who think Obama lied about doing things, or make up excuses as to why "President in office" passed said law. ( looks at NDAA)

Where was I?

Oh yes Bush was a mirage and sure you will have people like JRk say " I didnt like everything he did and he wasnt a conservative", and then defend every action the man took tooth and nail. I've seen it numerous times by tons of posters. All you have to do is wait and give them enough rope and they will hang themselves. Its like they forget we can go back and search threads and point out as to what they said.

The collapse? if you think Govt was the cause, see Glass segall repel
it was so much more simple than that
greedy people loaning greedy people money

I do not defend any-one, I supply information
SEARCH AWAY
 
I didn't vote for Obama last time. I will vote for him this time because I hate Mitt Romney with a passion.

Don't think of just yourself you selfish people out there, on both sides. Think of those that can't vote yet, our children, grandchildren, the yet to be born. You want our descendants born into bondage, subjected to communism, socialism, their individuality and inalienable freedoms and rights stripped from them, living like those north Koreans, worshipping dear deader because their very lives depend upon doing so?

Gawd, I know most of you humans probably deserve a north Korea lifestyle, but do your descendants deserve that?

Unreal, how can so many be so easily brainwashed?

Guy, when you babble on about "socialism" and "communism" and "North Korea", you really have no credibility. You just come off like a complete loon.

Sorry, most of the world has outright single payer socialized medicine, and they are fine with it. Really. They are just as free as we are. Maybe freer.

The Dmeocrats would like to regulate our economic freedom more, the Republicans would like to regulate or sexual freedom more. It's a big so what, really, on what they want and what they are going to be able to do.
 
So using a third party source is a bad thing?
your theroy of BHO being re-elected has me confused as the Dems still control the senate, this is what you really think will re-elect BHO?
Because of congress?
explain that to us if you would please

You know how congress is keeping the pipeline from being built
and how congress is stopping drilling on public lands?
and how congress claimed that there stimulus would create millions of jobs when we are still short of 2009 levels?
And how congress stuck there nose in places and events they did not belong
explain to us why congress made BHO tell the Russians to wait until after BHO was re-elected

PLEASE

I'd explain it to you, but you probably still wouldn't understand, Corky.

The Pipeline isn't that big a deal.

What people are upset about is that instead of addressing the economy, the GOP Congress went back to it usual "feed the rich" tactics. They didn't actually fix anything. Deficits are at record highs- Still. Unemployment hasn't been fixed. They've engaged in brinksmanship on the credit rating, but haven't proposed any meaningful cuts. And of course, they go to their usually stand-by- "Tax cuts for Rich People". Like that helps.
 
It's over for Obama because all those people that voted for him out of some kind of inner need to prove to themselves that they certainly aren't racist won't have to prove that to themselves again this time. This time they'll need to prove how smart they can be by not choosing based on exterior color (it's what's under the hood that counts, choose something running on more than 3 cylinders this time please, people). And, that commie can't bribe and buy as many votes with any real promises of free entitlements/kickbacks this time either because our nation is now worse than broke, were in debt. Embarrassing. Ghetto. Who wants more of that?

Again, you work on the assumption that folks who voted for Obama were trying to "prove they weren't racist".

I've never met a person yet whose told me, "I voted for Obama, you can't ever call me a racist". Probably because that person would be laughed at.

People voted for Obama because Bush had failed so miserably, and McCain didn't offer much of a difference.

And neither will Romney.

Let's assume that there are folks out there who voted for Obama and now realize that they made a huge mistake. How often do you admit major mistakes? Do you say, "Wow, I really fucked up big time", or do you rationalize your mistake in some way?

Fact is, you need a really compelling guy to get someone to admit to themselves they made a mistake and make a really different choice.

And Mitt Romney is not that compelling. He's having a hard time with an internet punchline who was polling in single digits four months ago.

oh Joe give it a rest. You don't exactly look at Romney objectively. You have started entire threads about how much you hate Mormons, don't trust Mormons, think Mormons are crazy, will never do business with a Mormon, blah, blah blah. Don't you think you are just a little bit biased?

Oh, I'm massively biased.

And I'm still right.

Come on, Romney couldn't beat Ted the Drunk. He couldn't beat Devall Patrick, he couldn't beat Mike Huckabee and John McCain, and he's barely beating a guy with no money, no organization and is a political has-been. He did beat a non-entity named Shannon O'Brien once.

Again, Romney has to get people who voted for Obama last time to vote for him this time.

I haven't talked to ONE PERSON who vote for Obama last time, who is ready to vote for Romney this time.

I've talked to quite a few (and myself) people who voted for McCain last time who won't vote for Romney this time.
 
I wonder how many people will completely lose their minds when Obama is re elected?
Four more years of this... we may all lose our minds...
 
Again, you work on the assumption that folks who voted for Obama were trying to "prove they weren't racist".

I've never met a person yet whose told me, "I voted for Obama, you can't ever call me a racist". Probably because that person would be laughed at.

People voted for Obama because Bush had failed so miserably, and McCain didn't offer much of a difference.

And neither will Romney.

Let's assume that there are folks out there who voted for Obama and now realize that they made a huge mistake. How often do you admit major mistakes? Do you say, "Wow, I really fucked up big time", or do you rationalize your mistake in some way?

Fact is, you need a really compelling guy to get someone to admit to themselves they made a mistake and make a really different choice.

And Mitt Romney is not that compelling. He's having a hard time with an internet punchline who was polling in single digits four months ago.

oh Joe give it a rest. You don't exactly look at Romney objectively. You have started entire threads about how much you hate Mormons, don't trust Mormons, think Mormons are crazy, will never do business with a Mormon, blah, blah blah. Don't you think you are just a little bit biased?

Oh, I'm massively biased.

And I'm still right.

Come on, Romney couldn't beat Ted the Drunk. He couldn't beat Devall Patrick, he couldn't beat Mike Huckabee and John McCain, and he's barely beating a guy with no money, no organization and is a political has-been. He did beat a non-entity named Shannon O'Brien once.

Again, Romney has to get people who voted for Obama last time to vote for him this time.

I haven't talked to ONE PERSON who vote for Obama last time, who is ready to vote for Romney this time.

I've talked to quite a few (and myself) people who voted for McCain last time who won't vote for Romney this time.

So 15% UE (really closer to 20, the info that the U6 rate is calced has changed scince BHO took office)
Deficts to a place in which they do the same to us that Europe is going thru now

These are things that your going to vote for again?
Why again?
 
So 15% UE (really closer to 20, the info that the U6 rate is calced has changed scince BHO took office)
Deficts to a place in which they do the same to us that Europe is going thru now

These are things that your going to vote for again?
Why again?

Guy, you can't run on the imaginary "U6" number and claim that's an issue. The UE rate is 8.3%. Which is still waaaaay too high.

Not happy about deficits, but the GOP isn't talking seriously about reducing them when they want MORE tax cuts for the wealthy. We need both tax increases and spending reductions. We also need to get rid of the stupidity of free trade and get our manufacturing back. Neither candidate is seriously talking about these things, so that's kind of a wash.

To me, this is a choice between an inept president and an evil Mormon. And I never vote for Mormons.
 
So 15% UE (really closer to 20, the info that the U6 rate is calced has changed scince BHO took office)
Deficts to a place in which they do the same to us that Europe is going thru now

These are things that your going to vote for again?
Why again?

Guy, you can't run on the imaginary "U6" number and claim that's an issue. The UE rate is 8.3%. Which is still waaaaay too high.

Not happy about deficits, but the GOP isn't talking seriously about reducing them when they want MORE tax cuts for the wealthy. We need both tax increases and spending reductions. We also need to get rid of the stupidity of free trade and get our manufacturing back. Neither candidate is seriously talking about these things, so that's kind of a wash.

To me, this is a choice between an inept president and an evil Mormon. And I never vote for Mormons.

Joe its your choice, and I guess votin for 4 more years of this because BHO opponet is a mormon makes as much scince is any other reason to re-elect this mess for 4 more years

Good luck with that
 
Joe its your choice, and I guess votin for 4 more years of this because BHO opponet is a mormon makes as much scince is any other reason to re-elect this mess for 4 more years

Good luck with that

If the GOP were offering something better, I'd vote for it.

They aren't. They are nominating another clueless millionaire who can't tell you how many mansions he owns. :evil:

And he thinks he's wearing magic underwear.... :cuckoo:
 
Joe its your choice, and I guess votin for 4 more years of this because BHO opponet is a mormon makes as much scince is any other reason to re-elect this mess for 4 more years

Good luck with that

If the GOP were offering something better, I'd vote for it.

They aren't. They are nominating another clueless millionaire who can't tell you how many mansions he owns. :evil:

And he thinks he's wearing magic underwear.... :cuckoo:

joe, its all good
Obama has an approval rating int he low 40s
gas is at 4.00 a gallon
we are still short the number of people working from 09
and we spent trillions more than we have to achieve that

Magic underwear I could see dictating this election for you, good luck with that
 

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