"It's now an obstruction investigation"

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  1. Mac1958
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    This is pretty interesting. The Trumpsters may be right that the collusion story is fading, but they may have bigger things to worry about. It would be easier to prove obstruction, especially considering the way Trump just can't keep his tweet shut:

    It Is Now an Obstruction Investigation

    Obstruction itself is a process crime — i.e., it relates to interference in the investigation of an underlying transaction that may or may not be criminal. In the first point, above, we noted that prosecutors generally do not let a cooperator settle a case by pleading guilty to a mere process crime. But if the main case the prosecutor is trying to build is itself a process crime, such as obstruction, then it is not all that damaging that the witnesses have pled guilty only to process crimes.

    The theme of such a prosecution is that the investigative process must be protected, not that some terrible underlying crime (like an espionage conspiracy) has been committed. Witnesses such as Flynn and Papadopoulos would therefore not be made to look like they had gotten a pass on serious offenses; they would look like they had owned up to corrupting the process and are now helping the prosecutor against the principal corruption target.
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    Wasn’t that the strategy all along?
     
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    I thought it was about finding evidence of collusion, no?
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    It’s about finding any way to impeach Trump.
     
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    Trump is considered the number one law officer in the country. It's one of the president's many titles. Legally, whatever he does cannot be obstruction. Per judge Andrew Napolitano!
     
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    We are a Rule of Law not Rule of Man. The office of the president is subject to the Constitution. He can be removed by impeached on charges by the House and trial and removal by the Senate. With the release of K. T. McFarland's emails, Trump is subject not only to charges of obstruction of justice but also collusion.
     
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    I don't think any of us really know what the Mueller investigation team has in their
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    We are guessing that it is obstruction of justice but this investigation goes much deeper than pastry....And not a peep is leaked by them.... Trump team was shocked about the charges and agreement to cooperate by Pappadopolous, and shocked by Flynns plea deal and cooperation.....neither of those two people cooperating with the investigation, are
    cooperating for an obstruction charge against Trump, they have information pertinent to the Russian interference investigation....

    Patience is a virtue....
     
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    Yep, we do love to try and convict with about 3% of the facts, don't we?

    What's interesting about that piece is that he points out Mueller wouldn't have taken it so easy on Flynn if there were more meat to the collusion story, so he may be taking the path of least resistance.

    But yeah, we're spit-balling.
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    CARE4ALL SAID: Patience is a virtue....

    JakeStakrey: So is closed mouth.
     
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    Pointless bullshit wasting my tax dollars.
    Yea yea I get the endless Clinton investigation defense but that shit was not a direct attempt to usurp the will of the people.

    Democrats are DUMBFUCKS If they think this shit is a winner
     
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