It's not over 'til it's over.

[P F Tinmore]

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

The primary function of a mandate was to assist the local populations (in this case the Palestinians) in creating the institutions required for independence. It was an administrative roll that did not take possession of any land.

I am familiar with the Leage of Nations. What does that have to do with 1948? Can I apply the Articles of Confederation to my defense in court in Cuba also?

Hiw big is the Country of Palestine 1922 btw? I am thinking the size of St Louis County?

One of the most fundamental, universally recognized rights of a people is the right to self determination. This right does not expire. It cannot be conquered. It is a permanent right of the permanent population. This right does not apply to foreigners.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of recent immigrants. Palestine's permanent population was virtually unanimous in its opposition. It was a violation of their basic rights. Palestinians, be they Muslims, Christians, or Jews, were all opposed to the creation of a foreign government on their land.

The Palestinians are still defending this basic right.

 

[Anachronism]

No. Gaza was occupied Palestinian land. Israel cannot win Palestinian land from Egypt.

Possession is none-tenths of the law, Timore. Israel has possession of the land. The onther one-tenth of the law is the willingness to kill in order to hold onto the land. Israel has that as well.

Not sure I really see any room for the Palestinians to get that land back unless they learn to be properly cooperative and amicalble with Israel.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

You have an ignore list of 66 people, including folks like Si Modo, and you missed out on ignoring Tinmore?

No wonder your ignore list is seen as a badge of honor

 

[Anachronism]

You have an ignore list of 66 people, including folks like Si Modo, and you missed out on ignoring Tinmore?

No wonder your ignore list is seen as a badge of honor

Tinmore is a joke in my mind. The list is for people who piss me off, not people that I tend to laugh AT.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No. Gaza was occupied Palestinian land. Israel cannot win Palestinian land from Egypt.

Possession is none-tenths of the law, Timore. Israel has possession of the land. The onther one-tenth of the law is the willingness to kill in order to hold onto the land. Israel has that as well.

Not sure I really see any room for the Palestinians to get that land back unless they learn to be properly cooperative and amicalble with Israel.

Not really.

"It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force."

Israel drove the Palestinians off their land by military force and keeps them from returning by military force. That is called an occupation.

The 1949 armistice agreements designated no land that Israel acquired legally.

 

[Anachronism]

Tinmore, I couldn't care any less what the legal definition of anything is. I'm a big believer in the Copper Rule (the cousin of the Golden Rule) which tells us..... "The guy with the biggest gun and the most willingness to use it, makes the rules." Until the Palestinians figure out a way to militarily remove the Israelis from the land, they're not going to get it back. I don't suspect that's ever going to happen, and until it does I have no sympathy for them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tinmore, I couldn't care any less what the legal definition of anything is. I'm a big believer in the Copper Rule (the cousin of the Golden Rule) which tells us..... "The guy with the biggest gun and the most willingness to use it, makes the rules." Until the Palestinians figure out a way to militarily remove the Israelis from the land, they're not going to get it back. I don't suspect that's ever going to happen, and until it does I have no sympathy for them.

Israel worries more about its so called right to exist than any other country. It claims it constantly like it is trying to sell something. Nobody else mentions it.

 

[Anachronism]

Israel worries more about its so called right to exist than any other country. It claims it constantly like it is trying to sell something. Nobody else mentions it.

I will agree that Israeli's constant whining about that has gotten tiresome. I would much rather see them simply permanently remove those individuals and groups that challenge their existance. Not because I have any love of Israel, but because it's the right way to go about it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel worries more about its so called right to exist than any other country. It claims it constantly like it is trying to sell something. Nobody else mentions it.

I will agree that Israeli's constant whining about that has gotten tiresome. I would much rather see them simply permanently remove those individuals and groups that challenge their existance. Not because I have any love of Israel, but because it's the right way to go about it.

Israel is a castle built on sand and they know it.

 

[Anachronism]

Israel is a castle built on sand and they know it.

They may eventually fall into the sea, but they're going to take a lot of bodies with them when they go. The water that washes them away will be tinged crimson with blood.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel is a castle built on sand and they know it.

They may eventually fall into the sea, but they're going to take a lot of bodies with them when they go. The water that washes them away will be tinged crimson with blood.

I doubt if Israel will fall into the sea with all the nuclear weapons they have, as well as all the influence in American government circles.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel is a castle built on sand and they know it.

They may eventually fall into the sea, but they're going to take a lot of bodies with them when they go. The water that washes them away will be tinged crimson with blood.

I doubt if Israel will fall into the sea with all the nuclear weapons they have, as well as all the influence in American government circles.

Israel’s new strategy: "sabotage" and "attack" the global justice movement

The Reut Institute’s analyses hold that Israel’s traditional strategic doctrine — which views threats to the state’s existence in primarily military terms, to be met with a military response — is badly out of date. Rather, what Israel faces today is a combined threat from a “Resistance Network” and a “Delegitimization Network.”

The Resistance Network is comprised of political and armed groups such as Hamas and Hizballah who “rel[y] on military means to sabotage every move directed at affecting separation between Israel and the Palestinians or securing a two-state solution” (“The Delegitimization Challenge: Creating a Political Firewall, Reut Institute, 14 February 2010).

Furthermore, the “Resistance Network” allegedly aims to cause Israel’s political “implosion” — a la South Africa, East Germany or the Soviet Union — rather than bring about military defeat through direct confrontation on the battlefield.

Israel's new strategy: "sabotage" and "attack" the global justice movement | The Electronic Intifada

 

[Toronado3800]

PF, most of the time I read history from a pretty detached point of view. The Hundred Years war, William the Conqueror, our dead troops in the Russian Revolution, mostly I am detached and neutral.

Reading about some things like the Battle of Tours I think "Thank God" and wonder how world history would have been different.

I side with Israel on this one. Besides the casualties world wide thanks to Muslim assaults, it seems W Bush would have been laughed out of office in 2004 if not for some strong far reaching Muslim power.

I am not talking about exterminating Muslims but do believe they are a greater danger to immediate world peace than quasi-communist China. So I support devaluing their oil and oops, what a shame about them Russian nuclear specialists who died in the plane crash.

The "threat" to America of a strong Israel seems far less.

Do you disagree?

 

[P F Tinmore]

PF, most of the time I read history from a pretty detached point of view. The Hundred Years war, William the Conqueror, our dead troops in the Russian Revolution, mostly I am detached and neutral.

Reading about some things like the Battle of Tours I think "Thank God" and wonder how world history would have been different.

I side with Israel on this one. Besides the casualties world wide thanks to Muslim assaults, it seems W Bush would have been laughed out of office in 2004 if not for some strong far reaching Muslim power.

I am not talking about exterminating Muslims but do believe they are a greater danger to immediate world peace than quasi-communist China. So I support devaluing their oil and oops, what a shame about them Russian nuclear specialists who died in the plane crash.

The "threat" to America of a strong Israel seems far less.

Do you disagree?

Israel is a project of the world's criminal class. Nothing but bad has come of it and nothing but bad can come of it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVa0QbH8YcA]YouTube - ‪Interview - Jeff Halper - The Global Pacification Industry‬‏[/ame]

 

[Toronado3800]

PF, most of the time I read history from a pretty detached point of view. The Hundred Years war, William the Conqueror, our dead troops in the Russian Revolution, mostly I am detached and neutral.

Reading about some things like the Battle of Tours I think "Thank God" and wonder how world history would have been different.

I side with Israel on this one. Besides the casualties world wide thanks to Muslim assaults, it seems W Bush would have been laughed out of office in 2004 if not for some strong far reaching Muslim power.

I am not talking about exterminating Muslims but do believe they are a greater danger to immediate world peace than quasi-communist China. So I support devaluing their oil and oops, what a shame about them Russian nuclear specialists who died in the plane crash.

The "threat" to America of a strong Israel seems far less.

Do you disagree?

Israel is a project of the world's criminal class. Nothing but bad has come of it and nothing but bad can come of it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVa0QbH8YcA]YouTube - ‪Interview - Jeff Halper - The Global Pacification Industry‬‏[/ame]

Plenty good has come of it. Angry armies have been destroyed repeatedly trying to eliminate Israel with very few American deaths. Much, much oil money wasted instead of being spent on colleges and the like which might actually have helped Iraq develop a meaningful military.

 

[docmauser1]

Israel is a project of the world's criminal class.

Anyone, who doesn't subscribe to "justice" of redistributing of the infidel property, is a "world's criminal class", of course.