It's NOT just about Khashoggi...Trump should be ashamed

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It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

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Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Ohhh you want us to take over the country and impose our laws on them.

Why didn't you say that?
 
It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

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Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Gaslight.
 
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Ohhh you want us to take over the country and impose our laws on them.

Why didn't you say that?


That's not what I said, idiot.
You're all about commerce with countries that torture people.
Right? Because Trump is doing it, it's OK.
That's what you are implying.
Look how far you've fallen.
You were already a bottom feeder but now there's a special place in the subterranean sewer for Trumpanzees.
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It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

"
Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Gaslight.


Gaslight?
Facts are really getting harder for you to deal with, aren't they?
As the Trump cult order consumes the last few cells of your already shrunken brain.
This article isn't from Alex Jones, it's the Wall Street Journal.
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It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

"
Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Gaslight.


Gaslight?
Facts are really getting harder for you to deal with, aren't they?
As the Trump cult order consumes the last few cells of your already shrunken brain.
This article isn't from Alex Jones, it's the Wall Street Journal.
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Your gaslighting is getting older than Trump.
 
The problem is that MbS is using repression not just to uphold the House of Saud but to crush opposition to him personally, and is thus potentially setting up a much different Saudi state than his father handed to him. We are dependent upon the Saudis for force in the ME, esp if our aim is at Iran, but we've been down this road of choosing between despots before, and it never ends well.
 
It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

"
Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Gaslight.


Gaslight?
Facts are really getting harder for you to deal with, aren't they?
As the Trump cult order consumes the last few cells of your already shrunken brain.
This article isn't from Alex Jones, it's the Wall Street Journal.
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Your gaslighting is getting older than Trump.

You have nothing to add to this thread except personal attacks.
Reported for trolling, troll.

Enough with your extended gaslight. I’ve added the most important part which is your gaslighting on this subject. Can’t handle the truth I get it.
 
The problem is that MbS is using repression not just to uphold the House of Saud but to crush opposition to him personally, and is thus potentially setting up a much different Saudi state than his father handed to him. We are dependent upon the Saudis for force in the ME, esp if our aim is at Iran, but we've been down this road of choosing between despots before, and it never ends well.


Bush wouldn't take them to task even though 19 of the 25 AQ terrorists on 9/11 were Saudis.
Now we've got a fuckhead in office who wants to be king, so it's really going to go down the shitter now.
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This crappy Middle East policy is not new at all. If the US INSISTS on choosing allies in a bad neighborhood, then we are gonna look bad. ALL THE WAY back to 1970s. When Carter decided to remove the Shah of Iran.

This is just the blowback from our constant meddling and insistence on exerting our will on countries that don't share our values or process. We apparently never learn. Where where you when Arab Spring turned into Arab Apocalypse? Where were you when MILLIONS of refugees were fleeing Syria and we didn't have a coherent policy for stabilizing the situation?

This is just more partisan hypocrisy. If you're not willing to sit back and watch the normal amount of carnage and instability in the Arab world --- you're gonna have to choose some sides. And the choices are not very good.

BenDog just laid that out.

So -- what's YOUR solution 2020? Oh -- that's right. YOU DONT DO SOLUTIONS. You just badger and whine and get tied up in your constant partisan hypocrisy... No conversation here if YOU don't have the list of policies that we should apply to the Mid East..
 
It's not just about Khasshoggi, and Trump knows it.

Saudi Arabia Accused of Torturing Women Activists in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

"
Saudi security officers have tortured jailed women’s-rights activists as part of a government campaign to squelch criticism of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that began before last month’s killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the situation,

At least eight of the 18 women’s-rights activists detained by Saudi authorities this year have been tortured, including at least four who were subjected to electric shocks and lashings, according to two advisers to the Saudi royal family,..."""

OH WAIT....TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN.
SORRY, NEVER MIND.
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Saudi Arabia is the best choice we have when it comes to a muslim ally in the middle east -- Saudi Arabia and Jordan...sometimes the UAE..

However Jordan murders the least amount of people last I checked
 
This crappy Middle East policy is not new at all. If the US INSISTS on choosing allies in a bad neighborhood, then we are gonna look bad. ALL THE WAY back to 1970s. When Carter decided to remove the Shah of Iran.

This is just the blowback from our constant meddling and insistence on exerting our will on countries that don't share our values or process. We apparently never learn. Where where you when Arab Spring turned into Arab Apocalypse? Where were you when MILLIONS of refugees were fleeing Syria and we didn't have a coherent policy for stabilizing the situation?

This is just more partisan hypocrisy. If you're not willing to sit back and watch the normal amount of carnage and instability in the Arab world --- you're gonna have to choose some sides. And the choices are not very good.

BenDog just laid that out.

So -- what's YOUR solution 2020? Oh -- that's right. YOU DONT DO SOLUTIONS. You just badger and whine and get tied up in your constant partisan hypocrisy... No conversation here if YOU don't have the list of policies that we should apply to the Mid East..
All this time I thought it was the Iranian people who exiled the Shah --- now we definitely had a hand in putting him in power back in '53 --- but those were good old days, when we could pick and choose who we wanted to be leaders of other countries.
 
This crappy Middle East policy is not new at all. If the US INSISTS on choosing allies in a bad neighborhood, then we are gonna look bad. ALL THE WAY back to 1970s. When Carter decided to remove the Shah of Iran.

This is just the blowback from our constant meddling and insistence on exerting our will on countries that don't share our values or process. We apparently never learn. Where where you when Arab Spring turned into Arab Apocalypse? Where were you when MILLIONS of refugees were fleeing Syria and we didn't have a coherent policy for stabilizing the situation?

This is just more partisan hypocrisy. If you're not willing to sit back and watch the normal amount of carnage and instability in the Arab world --- you're gonna have to choose some sides. And the choices are not very good.

BenDog just laid that out.

So -- what's YOUR solution 2020? Oh -- that's right. YOU DONT DO SOLUTIONS. You just badger and whine and get tied up in your constant partisan hypocrisy... No conversation here if YOU don't have the list of policies that we should apply to the Mid East..
All this time I thought it was the Iranian people who exiled the Shah --- now we definitely had a hand in putting him in power back in '53 --- but those were good old days, when we could pick and choose who we wanted to be leaders of other countries.

Actually, Jimmy Carter was the 1st US prez to take a state visit to Iran. Toasted to the monumental reforms that the Shah was making on "secularizing" the social policies and strengthening the economy. That was enough to piss off the religious nuts and within a couple years -- civil conflict broke out. All the support that the Shah had from US vanished because Brezinsky and Vance were split over support of the Shah or trying to reason with what THEY THOUGHT were liberals in the revolt. Carter didn't act or decide or take a side. And by our WITHDRAWAL of support, and lip service to the revolution and mixed messages, we ENCOURAGED the revolt.

If not that the rumors are correct and the CIA sided with Vance to support the insurrection..

We're involved when we interfere and tilt the natural preferences in that region. We can't "win" anything without supporting "bad guys". So there's some choices to make that don't involve finger-pointing and hypocritical partisan taunting.

Make them. Don't argue over political points.
 
This crappy Middle East policy is not new at all. If the US INSISTS on choosing allies in a bad neighborhood, then we are gonna look bad. ALL THE WAY back to 1970s. When Carter decided to remove the Shah of Iran.

This is just the blowback from our constant meddling and insistence on exerting our will on countries that don't share our values or process. We apparently never learn. Where where you when Arab Spring turned into Arab Apocalypse? Where were you when MILLIONS of refugees were fleeing Syria and we didn't have a coherent policy for stabilizing the situation?

This is just more partisan hypocrisy. If you're not willing to sit back and watch the normal amount of carnage and instability in the Arab world --- you're gonna have to choose some sides. And the choices are not very good.

BenDog just laid that out.

So -- what's YOUR solution 2020? Oh -- that's right. YOU DONT DO SOLUTIONS. You just badger and whine and get tied up in your constant partisan hypocrisy... No conversation here if YOU don't have the list of policies that we should apply to the Mid East..
All this time I thought it was the Iranian people who exiled the Shah --- now we definitely had a hand in putting him in power back in '53 --- but those were good old days, when we could pick and choose who we wanted to be leaders of other countries.

Actually, Jimmy Carter was the 1st US prez to take a state visit to Iran. Toasted to the monumental reforms that the Shah was making on "secularizing" the social policies and strengthening the economy. That was enough to piss off the religious nuts and within a couple years -- civil conflict broke out. All the support that the Shah had from US vanished because Brezinsky and Vance were split over support of the Shah or trying to reason with what THEY THOUGHT were liberals in the revolt. Carter didn't act or decide or take a side. And by our WITHDRAWAL of support, and lip service to the revolution and mixed messages, we ENCOURAGED the revolt.

If not that the rumors are correct and the CIA sided with Vance to support the insurrection..

We're involved when we interfere and tilt the natural preferences in that region. We can't "win" anything without supporting "bad guys". So there's some choices to make that don't involve finger-pointing and hypocritical partisan taunting.

Make them. Don't argue over political points.
Then Reagan came in, took credit for the hostage release and sold weapons to Iran, yea yea, we remember.
 
This crappy Middle East policy is not new at all. If the US INSISTS on choosing allies in a bad neighborhood, then we are gonna look bad. ALL THE WAY back to 1970s. When Carter decided to remove the Shah of Iran.

This is just the blowback from our constant meddling and insistence on exerting our will on countries that don't share our values or process. We apparently never learn. Where where you when Arab Spring turned into Arab Apocalypse? Where were you when MILLIONS of refugees were fleeing Syria and we didn't have a coherent policy for stabilizing the situation?

This is just more partisan hypocrisy. If you're not willing to sit back and watch the normal amount of carnage and instability in the Arab world --- you're gonna have to choose some sides. And the choices are not very good.

BenDog just laid that out.

So -- what's YOUR solution 2020? Oh -- that's right. YOU DONT DO SOLUTIONS. You just badger and whine and get tied up in your constant partisan hypocrisy... No conversation here if YOU don't have the list of policies that we should apply to the Mid East..


Hey asshole,
My solution is we don't need money from people who murder and torture in the name of their sheik.
Trump says this country's economy is better than it's ever been before. Remember? Forget that already?
So why do we need blood on our hands?

Trump says he's a nationalist.
Globalism bad. Nationalism good.
Now he's ready to bend over and take blood money from one of the worst human-rights abusers on the planet.
That is the point of my post, in case you fucking can't read simple words.


His hypocrisy and self-serving bullshit just goes right over the point on the top of your fat head.
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