It's No Wonder Liberals Are Always Complain About the Rich

[daveman]

Paramedic or Nurse with a measly technical certification and almost nothing of a salary says, "no need to thank me, I save lives everyday"

Doctor with a masters degree and makes millions says "you owe me 500 bucks for that 10 minute office visit where I told to you things you already knew, and you also owe me another couple hundred for the thirty minutes you sat in the waiting room, here is your prescription".

Dunno about paramedics, but nurses make pretty good money.

By comparison, no, they do not. If a nurse takes extra classes and becomes a PA, she/he still doesn't make anywhere near what a physician would make per hour for drawing the same blood.

How long does it take to become an RN? How long does it take to become an MD?

 

[daveman]

The working class right believes the concept that the more the wealthy have to spend, they will gladly "trickle down" some to you and thereby keep you happy too. How's that been workin' out lately?

i believe the more the wealthy have earned, the more they should keep. what they do with it is up to them. so the middle class right believes in hand-outs from the rich, adn the lower class left believes in hand outs from the government (supplied by the rich)?

No, I think the wealthy who own enough money to control the economy should step up to the plate and put their money back into businesses and employees who keep those businesses running, without whom, the CEO fat cats wouldn't have any money to pocket for themselves in the first place.

They would, but the government is very anti-business right now. Can't say as I blame folks for not working harder to expand when it may be legislated away from them.

 

[edthecynic]

that's why instead of this spending billions on bridges to nowhere, window replacements and turtle bridges, obama should have enacted a one-year payroll tax holiday to stimulate the economy.

should the lower class have to pay any taxes?

WOW! We might almost have something we can agree on.

What I have suggested many times on many threads that we do to stimulate the economy and create AMERICAN jobs is to REPLACE each of Bush's tax cuts when they expire, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, with a cut in the job killing payroll taxes.
This would give the American wage earner an immediate increase in take home pay to spend on a regular basis without costing the employer a single penny thus stimulating demand, and the businesses that employ Americans would have an immediate cut in the cost of labor without downsizing or outsourcing a single American job as well as saving the cost of compliance. The businesses that employ the most AMERICANS will get the most benefit from the tax cuts, exactly the group of people you would want to benefit most from tax cuts.

Can you agree with my tax substitution stimulus?

giddyup!!

it's funny, i listen to quite a bit of talk radio, mostly michael medved and dennis prager. they consistently talked up this idea of a payroll tax holiday.

why didn't it happen?

who would it have harmed?

I blame both Parties, which is why I'm a lifelong registered Independent who votes either third Party or write in.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yeah, they only get eaten alive by payroll taxes.

that's why instead of this spending billions on bridges to nowhere, window replacements and turtle bridges, obama should have enacted a one-year payroll tax holiday to stimulate the economy.

should the lower class have to pay any taxes?

WOW! We might almost have something we can agree on.

What I have suggested many times on many threads that we do to stimulate the economy and create AMERICAN jobs is to REPLACE each of Bush's tax cuts when they expire, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, with a cut in the job killing payroll taxes.
This would give the American wage earner an immediate increase in take home pay to spend on a regular basis without costing the employer a single penny thus stimulating demand, and the businesses that employ Americans would have an immediate cut in the cost of labor without downsizing or outsourcing a single American job as well as saving the cost of compliance. The businesses that employ the most AMERICANS will get the most benefit from the tax cuts, exactly the group of people you would want to benefit most from tax cuts.

Can you agree with my tax substitution stimulus?

The problem with that is that payroll taxes aren't nearly enough now to sustain Social Security and Medicare, which are the two largest programs (other than defense) creating the huge bubble in the deficit. Eliminating the payments for those two entitlement programs would definitely send the deficit into orbit.

 

[MaggieMae]

It's a darn shame liberalism has nothing to do with liberty anymore, as it used to. Perhaps when you got away from liberty and started advocating more and more government control over individual lives is when the term "liberal" lost its happy glow.

Every so often I like to post this story, just to remind folks of what we take for granted these days.

A Day in the Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

Day in the Life

 

[MaggieMae]

i believe the more the wealthy have earned, the more they should keep. what they do with it is up to them. so the middle class right believes in hand-outs from the rich, adn the lower class left believes in hand outs from the government (supplied by the rich)?

No, I think the wealthy who own enough money to control the economy should step up to the plate and put their money back into businesses and employees who keep those businesses running, without whom, the CEO fat cats wouldn't have any money to pocket for themselves in the first place.

They would, but the government is very anti-business right now. Can't say as I blame folks for not working harder to expand when it may be legislated away from them.

No one has yet shown me where they are "anti-business." No one. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

 

[daveman]

It's a darn shame liberalism has nothing to do with liberty anymore, as it used to. Perhaps when you got away from liberty and started advocating more and more government control over individual lives is when the term "liberal" lost its happy glow.

Every so often I like to post this story, just to remind folks of what we take for granted these days.

A Day in the Life of Joe Republican

 

[daveman]

No, I think the wealthy who own enough money to control the economy should step up to the plate and put their money back into businesses and employees who keep those businesses running, without whom, the CEO fat cats wouldn't have any money to pocket for themselves in the first place.

They would, but the government is very anti-business right now. Can't say as I blame folks for not working harder to expand when it may be legislated away from them.

No one has yet shown me where they are "anti-business." No one. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

No one has yet shown me where the "Day in the life of Joe Republican" fairy tale is real. No one. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, look at Cap&Trade, deciding what businesses can pay their CEOs, insisting the eeeevil insurance companies are out to kill us all, the ridiculous and excessive business spending reporting directions in the health care law -- none of those are business-friendly.

 

[edthecynic]

that's why instead of this spending billions on bridges to nowhere, window replacements and turtle bridges, obama should have enacted a one-year payroll tax holiday to stimulate the economy.

should the lower class have to pay any taxes?

WOW! We might almost have something we can agree on.

What I have suggested many times on many threads that we do to stimulate the economy and create AMERICAN jobs is to REPLACE each of Bush's tax cuts when they expire, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, with a cut in the job killing payroll taxes.
This would give the American wage earner an immediate increase in take home pay to spend on a regular basis without costing the employer a single penny thus stimulating demand, and the businesses that employ Americans would have an immediate cut in the cost of labor without downsizing or outsourcing a single American job as well as saving the cost of compliance. The businesses that employ the most AMERICANS will get the most benefit from the tax cuts, exactly the group of people you would want to benefit most from tax cuts.

Can you agree with my tax substitution stimulus?

The problem with that is that payroll taxes aren't nearly enough now to sustain Social Security and Medicare, which are the two largest programs (other than defense) creating the huge bubble in the deficit. Eliminating the payments for those two entitlement programs would definitely send the deficit into orbit.

Except that payroll taxes have been made part of the general fund, so cutting them would be no different deficit wise than cutting any other tax. So given the choice of extending the Bush tax cuts or substituting dollar for dollar a cut in payroll taxes, I would cut payroll taxes because they give the most job creating stimulus for the buck.

 

[Pappadave]

Those that can, do. Those that do very well must teach. Those that can't, must learn. Those that won't do any of the above need to be eliminated from the gene pool. Pappadave.

 

[MaggieMae]

They would, but the government is very anti-business right now. Can't say as I blame folks for not working harder to expand when it may be legislated away from them.

No one has yet shown me where they are "anti-business." No one. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

No one has yet shown me where the "Day in the life of Joe Republican" fairy tale is real. No one. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, look at Cap&Trade, deciding what businesses can pay their CEOs, insisting the eeeevil insurance companies are out to kill us all, the ridiculous and excessive business spending reporting directions in the health care law -- none of those are business-friendly.

The Senate removed cap and trade from the energy bill a couple of weeks ago. Except for the right wing blogsites who want to keep this issue alive because it's a hot political topic that gets so much negative reaction, cap and trade is dead as a doornail. Although the energy bill has yet to be voted on, trying to re-insert a major provision that has already been removed rarely happens.

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