It's Katie Couric!

[Billy_Kinetta]

Are we surprised?

Audio Shows Katie Couric Documentary Deceptively Edited Interview with Pro-Gun Activists

 

[koshergrl]

so un-shocking.

But wait..there IS NO SUCH THING AS MEDIA BIAS!!

 

[2aguy]

Here is a clip of Katie Courics hit piece on Civil Rights....she attacks the 2nd Amendment...and she does so by lying...which is the only way a gun grabber can make a point...since the reality is that as more Americans have bought, owned and carried guns for self defense, since the 1990s, the gun murder rate has gone down, and the violent crime rate has gone down....

But that truth doesn't sell gun control...so she lied....

how do we know she lied....we have the vide from the documentary....and then we have audio of the actual responses from the gun owners.....she edits the movie to make it look like her question about background checks left the gun owners stupified......but the audio...show that they have clearly thought about the issue....and know more about it than she does......

Check the video...and then the audio......she lied....

SHOCK AUDIO: Katie Couric Edited Gun Documentary To Silence Pro-Gun Opinions

In the film, the pro-gun group appears to be stunned into silence, with no apparent answer to the question.

But a separate audio recording of the conversation reveals that the group responded quickly, and hit Couric back with nearly 4 minutes of thoughts on the subject.

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Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave told The Washington Free Beacon, “Katie Couric asked a key question during an interview of some members of our organization.

She then intentionally removed their answers and spliced in nine seconds of some prior video of our members sitting quietly and not responding.

Viewers are left with the misunderstanding that the members had no answer to her question.”

Read more: SHOCK AUDIO: Katie Couric Edited Gun Documentary To Silence Pro-Gun Opinions



Read more: SHOCK AUDIO: Katie Couric Edited Gun Documentary To Silence Pro-Gun Opinions

 

[2aguy]

The intelligent answer starts at 40 second mark....

 

[sonic]

Of course you gun nuts miss the entire point of the film - that we need to reduce gun violence even further and focus on a few seconds that hurt your little thin-skinned feelings. Whine whine whine whine is all I hear from you crazies. Meanwhile over 40,000 people per year in the U.S. are killed or injured by gun violence (exclusive of suicides). What are you doing to help decrease that number? Whine?
Consider joining everytown.org to help make us safer instead of whining.

 

[2aguy]

Of course you gun nuts miss the entire point of the film - that we need to reduce gun violence even further and focus on a few seconds that hurt your little thin-skinned feelings. Whine whine whine whine is all I hear from you crazies. Meanwhile over 40,000 people per year in the U.S. are killed or injured by gun violence (exclusive of suicides). What are you doing to help decrease that number? Whine?
Consider joining everytown.org to help make us safer instead of whining.

See....you can't even make your post without lying.....

CDC final homicide for 2013....

gun suicides in 2013....21,100

non gun suicides 19,974

gun murder 2014....FBI homicide stats 2014, 8,124

Gun accidental gun deaths 2014....586

So tell me genius...where did you get your 40,000 number.....

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

 

[2aguy]

Of course you gun nuts miss the entire point of the film - that we need to reduce gun violence even further and focus on a few seconds that hurt your little thin-skinned feelings. Whine whine whine whine is all I hear from you crazies. Meanwhile over 40,000 people per year in the U.S. are killed or injured by gun violence (exclusive of suicides). What are you doing to help decrease that number? Whine?
Consider joining everytown.org to help make us safer instead of whining.

again...where did you get 40,000....it is a lie .....so please tell us where you got that lie from.......

 

[2aguy]

Of course you gun nuts miss the entire point of the film - that we need to reduce gun violence even further and focus on a few seconds that hurt your little thin-skinned feelings. Whine whine whine whine is all I hear from you crazies. Meanwhile over 40,000 people per year in the U.S. are killed or injured by gun violence (exclusive of suicides). What are you doing to help decrease that number? Whine?
Consider joining everytown.org to help make us safer instead of whining.

here you go.....these are actual statistics from the CDC, the FBI and actual researchers........most of them anti gun....now please...tell me where the 40,000 number, exclusive of gun suicides come from....

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Accidental gun deaths:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths over time....

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505


Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)


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Gun suicide vs. non gun suicide:

Gun Suicide: 21,175

Non gun suicide: 19,974

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Gun murder:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 and

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports - 2000

gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124

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Self defense with a gun:

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Of course you gun nuts miss the entire point of the film - that we need to reduce gun violence even further and focus on a few seconds that hurt your little thin-skinned feelings. Whine whine whine whine is all I hear from you crazies. Meanwhile over 40,000 people per year in the U.S. are killed or injured by gun violence (exclusive of suicides). What are you doing to help decrease that number? Whine?
Consider joining everytown.org to help make us safer instead of whining.

And here...more facts from the CDC...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

 

[2aguy]

And here is a look at her lying about it....

WaPo media critic on director, Couric response to #GunGate: No sale; Update: Producers encourage me to watch the documentary. That goes well.

Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple begs to differ. There is no other explanation of substituting B-roll for the actual response than to make the interview subjects look bad, Wemple points out:

In the years we’ve covered and watched media organizations, we’ve scarcely seen a thinner, more weaselly excuse than the one in the block above. For starters, it appears to count as an admission that this segment of the documentary was edited. The artistic “pause” provides the viewer not a “moment to consider this important question”; it provides viewers a moment to lower their estimation of gun owners. That’s it. As far as the rest of the statement, adults in 2016 may no longer write the phrase “apologize if anyone felt that way” and preserve their standing as professionals.

He’s not impressed with Couric either:

To compound matters, here’s the accompanying statement from Couric:

“I support Stephanie’s statement and am very proud of the film.”

That, from the Katie Couric of Yahoo News, of “CBS Evening News,” of “60 Minutes,” of the “Today” show and so on.

Wemple predicts that these arrogant responses will pour gasoline on the #GunGate flames — and approves of the backlash to come:

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The intelligent answer starts at 40 second mark....

You’re as much a moron as you are a liar.

Couric is not ‘attacking’ the Second Amendment or Civil Rights.

 

[MikeK]

As I've mentioned so many times before, the vast majority of Second Amendment opponents and anti-gun fanatics know nothing about guns, are afraid of them, and are not inclined to self defense under any circumstances. So they tend to believe any exaggerated item of anti-gun propaganda fed to them by other equally ignorant gun-phobes.

 

[Dragonlady]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

 

[2aguy]

The intelligent answer starts at 40 second mark....

You’re as much a moron as you are a liar.

Couric is not ‘attacking’ the Second Amendment or Civil Rights.

When you post a statement like that you show that you are, indeed, the moron......

 

[2aguy]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

Wrong.......they get that number from the General Social Survey.....this is run by an anti gunnner who told John Lott he hoped his research would lead to more gun control......other research shows an increase or it stayed the same.....

We went from 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013 to 357,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2016....so please...tell me the same two guys in Idaho bought 37,000,000 million new guns.....

The biggest growth areas in gun buying....women and minorities...and that makes them new gun buyers....

You just buy any lying anti gun crap you read, don't you...?

And no, you are not 9 times more likely to be shot or killed ...how do we know that number is a lie...because the guy who did the research only looked at homes with deep pathologies and ignored all the normal homes......the main reason you get murder in a home with or without a gun is drug abuse, alcohol abuse, mental illness, a history of violence or a long criminal record......

Homes that have guns, and do not have drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness or long histories of crime and violent behavior do not have husbands killing wives over a late dinner......

You are being lied to.....do some freaking research on your own...

 

[2aguy]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

See....what did I tell you....

General Social Survey: When the GSS

And another thing.....fewer gun owning Americans are willing to tell nameless, faceless voices in person or over the phone that they own a gun.........ever read the posts here...there is no way I am telling my doctor or any government stooge if I own a gun......

 

[2aguy]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

Here, just to start your education...

Are Americans Really Giving Up Their Guns?

To summarize the overall discrepancies: Gallup, a respected research organization, has found varying levels of gun ownership, but has reported that the proportion of individuals reporting a gun in their home remains relatively high. In 2012, that proportion was found to be 43 percent.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/24/why-women-are-buying-more-guns.html

More than a third of the women who participated in the National Sports Shooting Foundation’s most recent survey identified as new gun owners. This data are consistent with those of other organizations, including the National Sporting Goods Association. According to the NSGA’s Annual Sports Participation Report, the number of women who practice target shooting increased nearly 36 percent (from 4.31 million to 5.86 million) between 2004 and 2014, while the number of women participating in hunting increased 23 percent (from 2.68 million to 3.3 million). In response to a request for comment, an NRA spokesman reported tracking a 77 percent increase between 2004 and 2011 in the number of women who own firearms.

Gun-Homicide Rate Decreased as Gun Ownership Increased


Based on data from a 2012 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report(and additional data from another Wonkblog article “There are now more guns than people in the United States”), the number of privately owned firearms in U.S. increased from about 185 million in 1993 to 357 million in 2013.

 

[2aguy]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

And the General Social Survey....

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Gun industry, Bloomberg media square off over female gun owner data

Putting a pin in the balloon of rising female gun ownership, the Trace, a journalism start up funded by Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety, consulted the General Social Survey. A project of the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, the GSS has conducted a sociological survey since 1972 to collect historical data on everything from government spending to race relations.

When it comes to gun ownership by women, the pollsters noted the number has averaged about 11 percent over the past three decades with slight dips, to as low as 9.1 percent in 1989, and slight increases, to as high as 13.7 percent in 1982.

“There’s been no meaningful directional change in the percent of women owning guns,” said Tom Smith, the director of the GSS.

However, the National Shooting Sports Foundation on Thursday posted a rebuttal to the article, citing the GSS itself was flawed when it came to gun data– much as they did last yearwhen the survey noted a decline in gun ownership numbers despite eight straight years of increasing firearms sales that set all-time records.

The NSSF contends GSS isn’t actually counting the number of firearms in each household. Rather it is enumerating the number of individuals willing to talk to a stranger at their front door about how many firearms they own. The two concepts, holds the trade group, are vastly different.

“It is a staple of gun control politics to work to diminish both the size and the ever increasing diversity of the firearm-owning American citizenry,” noted Larry Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. “The Trace provides just the latest example.”

Besides noting the trade group’s own studies in female gun ownership rates, the NSSF also bemoaned the outlet for discounting previous articles in the mainstream media.

“The Trace also asks its readers to discount CBS News, Fox News, Ad Age and dozens of local reporters nationwide (collectively, a ‘credulous press’) who have actually gone to firearms retailers and ranges to report that they see evidence of more and more women buying guns and taking up target shooting as a recreational activity,” wrote Keane.

 

[Iceweasel]

Read more: SHOCK AUDIO: Katie Couric Edited Gun Documentary To Silence Pro-Gun Opinions

I disliked her looong ago. Back on the Today show I think it was obvious she was a progagandist.

 

[2aguy]

And do you understand...in your little pea brain......than since the 1990s, more and more Americans now own and carry guns for self defense........357,000,000 million guns in private hands......and 13,000,000 million Americans now carrying guns for self defense.....and our gun murder rate went down, not up.....our violent crime rate went down, not up....

Can you understand that fact...at all?

Everytown lies.......the truth, the facts, the statistics all show that they are wrong and so they lie.....they have lied to you.....

No because it is YOU who are twisting the numbers.

Gun ownership is going DOWN, not up. Fewer and fewer people are buying guns, but the average number of guns owned has steadily increased as those who own guns, are buying more and more of them. The average gun owner now owns 8 guns.

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear

In 1970 around 50% of American households owned a gun. By 2010, that percentage had shrunk to 39%.

If there is a gun in your house, it is 9 times more likely that you, or a member of your family will be injured or killed by gunshot, than if there was no gun in your house.

And the lie that normal people are killiing each other simply because there is a gun in the home.....the truth shows you are wrong...

Public Health Pot Shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...




These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them.


Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available.

Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.



Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.

Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.

Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.



According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."

A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.