It's Happened - A Smoke-Free City

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LOS ANGELES -- The city of Calabasas, northwest of Los Angeles, is set to enact one of the toughest smoking bans in the nation on Friday.

The anti-smoking measure, passed by the city council in February, promises to make Calabasas the first virtually smoke-free city in the country.

Although there will be designated smoking areas, the city has signs that essentially say smokers aren't welcome, and cards that non-smokers can hand out to remind smokers about the law.

Like similar ordinances, the law bans smoking in public buildings, but this law will include bus stops, parks and other outside areas where non-smokers are present.

Calabasas student Margo Arnold initiated the ban when she took a complaint to City Hall. She told NBC4 she doesn't smoke, but sitting outside one day, enjoying a meal, she felt like she did.

"There was just so much smoke," Arnold said, "there were smokers to my left and my right and I just got overwhelmed with having to sit out there and breathe the smoke."

In January, California declared secondhand smoke a toxic air pollutant.

Now Calabasas Mayor, Barry Groveman says the city is protecting the health of its citizens with the new law.

"This does not ban cigarettes, this limits public exposure to secondhand smoke," Groveman said.

The new law has plenty of critics.

"I think it's political correctness gone off the deep end," smoker Ed Souder told NBC4.

Even some non-smokers, like Linda Kutzin, agree.

"It's their prerogative to smoke if that's what they want to do," Kutzin Said.

According to NBC4, city officials are hoping smokers will get the message and it won't be difficult to enforce the ban. But the sheriff's department is ready to step in.

"What we're hoping is that this will allow it to be acceptable for someone who doesn't want to be impacted by smoke to say, 'would you mind putting that out?' knowing that they have the force of law behind them," said Groveman.

Violators of the ban could pay a fine of up to $500, while repeat offenders could face jail time.

Calabasas officials say they believe one day soon, laws like theirs will be the norm nationwide.

Thirty-six states currently have laws restricting smoking.

http://www.nbc4.tv/newslinks/7963148/detail.html
 
I want to say that they should be free to choose... but I have had too many people blow smoke at my asthmatic child to be sympathetic. Many smokers have no consideration for others who don't want to breathe that junk. So I say, "Good News!"
 
"What we're hoping is that this will allow it to be acceptable for someone who doesn't want to be impacted by smoke to say, 'would you mind putting that out?' knowing that they have the force of law behind them," said Groveman.
BS Mayor, it's the power of "BIG BROTHER". :smoke:
 
"It's their prerogative to smoke if that's what they want to do,"

Do I have the perrogative to smoke pot if I want to? How about crack?
No I dont. As far as I am concerned ciggarettes should be just as illegal as smoking pot.
 
They voted and passed a smoking ban in the State of Colorado today.

The State Senate voted 19 to 15 to impose this ban, two republicans crossed the line and voted with the 17 Ds that currently control the Senate (one of their number just resigned in shame.... they get to put in their own replacement.)

The ban only excludes Casinos.
 
I want to know when they are going to stop taxing cigarettes, and repeal health care provisions under insurance. Just let those that get cancer pay or die. At the same time, stop the nonsense of smokers subsidizing every freaking plan the locals and feds come up with.

Pass all the laws you want, restricting smoking, but repeal the taxes and insurance benefits, then let those that wish to smoke, smoke.
 
deaddude said:
Do I have the perrogative to smoke pot if I want to? How about crack?
No I dont. As far as I am concerned ciggarettes should be just as illegal as smoking pot.

Yeah dude, and we should totally throw in alcohol too, the only reason prohibition didn't work is because we cut and run.

Private businesses should be able to have whatever smoking policy they want.
 
deaddude said:
Do I have the perrogative to smoke pot if I want to? How about crack?
No I dont. As far as I am concerned ciggarettes should be just as illegal as smoking pot.

Sure you do----you just have to go hide when you do it like cigarette smokers are forced to if they want to smoke. Look on the bright side---you don't to pay any taxes on pot or crack.
 
deaddude said:
Do I have the perrogative to smoke pot if I want to? How about crack?
No I dont. As far as I am concerned ciggarettes should be just as illegal as smoking pot.

what about a good cigar?
 
GotZoom said:
LOS ANGELES -- The city of Calabasas, northwest of Los Angeles, is set to enact one of the toughest smoking bans in the nation on Friday.

The anti-smoking measure, passed by the city council in February, promises to make Calabasas the first virtually smoke-free city in the country.

Although there will be designated smoking areas, the city has signs that essentially say smokers aren't welcome, and cards that non-smokers can hand out to remind smokers about the law.

Like similar ordinances, the law bans smoking in public buildings, but this law will include bus stops, parks and other outside areas where non-smokers are present.

Calabasas student Margo Arnold initiated the ban when she took a complaint to City Hall. She told NBC4 she doesn't smoke, but sitting outside one day, enjoying a meal, she felt like she did.

"There was just so much smoke," Arnold said, "there were smokers to my left and my right and I just got overwhelmed with having to sit out there and breathe the smoke."

In January, California declared secondhand smoke a toxic air pollutant.

Now Calabasas Mayor, Barry Groveman says the city is protecting the health of its citizens with the new law.

"This does not ban cigarettes, this limits public exposure to secondhand smoke," Groveman said.

The new law has plenty of critics.

"I think it's political correctness gone off the deep end," smoker Ed Souder told NBC4.

Even some non-smokers, like Linda Kutzin, agree.

"It's their prerogative to smoke if that's what they want to do," Kutzin Said.

According to NBC4, city officials are hoping smokers will get the message and it won't be difficult to enforce the ban. But the sheriff's department is ready to step in.

"What we're hoping is that this will allow it to be acceptable for someone who doesn't want to be impacted by smoke to say, 'would you mind putting that out?' knowing that they have the force of law behind them," said Groveman.

Violators of the ban could pay a fine of up to $500, while repeat offenders could face jail time.

Calabasas officials say they believe one day soon, laws like theirs will be the norm nationwide.

Thirty-six states currently have laws restricting smoking.

http://www.nbc4.tv/newslinks/7963148/detail.html

Absurd. I want to live in fat-free city where I don't have to look at fat, slovenly, 400 lb behemoths slothing up and down the street on the verge of a massive coronary at every step.

And it is with no little irony I note that it is usually THEY who whine and bitch about smokers the most.

Whatever happened to "Land of the Free ..."?
 
GunnyL said:
Absurd. I want to live in fat-free city where I don't have to look at fat, slovenly, 400 lb behemoths slothing up and down the street on the verge of a massive coronary at every step.

And it is with no little irony I note that it is usually THEY who whine and bitch about smokers the most.

Whatever happened to "Land of the Free ..."?
Fat people don't take their fat and stick onto someone else's body. Smokers blow their vice right into other people's lungs.
 
mom4 said:
Fat people don't take their fat and stick onto someone else's body. Smokers blow their vice right into other people's lungs.

People who drive internal combustion engines do---how about outlawing driving in the city too.
 
dilloduck said:
People who drive internal combustion engines do---how about outlawing driving in the city too.
Ok. Walking IS good for you!

But no, I'd be too scared to walk very far in the city.

And I am not necessarily FOR outlawing public smoking. It just suits my preferences.
 
mom4 said:
Ok. Walking IS good for you!

But no, I'd be too scared to walk very far in the city.

And I am not necessarily FOR outlawing public smoking. It just suits my preferences.

Why should money collected from smokers be used to fund public works if smokers cant even go there is they are smoking?
 
dilloduck said:
Why should money collected from smokers be used to fund public works if smokers cant even go there is they are smoking?
They can go there; they just can't smoke there. And, once again, I'm not saying I advocate making it illegal, but I can't help saying it would be a relief to not have to worry about my son's breathing that stuff in.
 
mom4 said:
They can go there; they just can't smoke there. And, once again, I'm not saying I advocate making it illegal, but I can't help saying it would be a relief to not have to worry about my son's breathing that stuff in.

But you have NO problem using money received from smokers to build your sons' school?
 
dilloduck said:
But you have NO problem using money received from smokers to build your sons' school?
Are you trying to say that smokers should never have to pay any taxes? Or that smoking SHOULD be legal in public schools?

Dillo, dear, I just don't feel strongly enough about this subject to argue it. Now, stop trying to bait me! :slap:
 
mom4 said:
Are you trying to say that smokers should never have to pay any taxes? Or that smoking SHOULD be legal in public schools?

Dillo, dear, I just don't feel strongly enough about this subject to argue it. Now, stop trying to bait me! :slap:

Just a pet peeve cause I smoke. Lawyers supposedly proved that cigarette manufacturers manipulated the amout of nicotine in cigarettes to hook users. If you buy the reasoning behind the legal argument (which was won), then the "victims" were the smokers however smokers didn't receive one dime of this settlement. The general public now benefits financially from vices ( smoking, drinking etc) and loves to complain about the behavior but loves the income they get from it too much to ban it outright.
 
Said1 said:
$9 a pack up here, 8 of which probably tax.

Can't smoke anywhere either. It was tuff at first, but you get used to it.

ya--I know all the dark corners where smokers are allowed to indulge. :smoke:
 

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