It's Good To Be Rich! More Republican Tax Breaks!

[hadit]

You all are going waaayyy off topic. This thread is about the GOP trying to sneak a couple of tax reductions for the wealthy though Congress. You are just trying to avoid the issue of the Thread. Which is understandable, given the track record of the repubs....

Good for them. I always like to see taxes go down. Full stop.

 

[hadit]

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

Ironic, given that Reagan closed a whole bunch of loopholes when he lowered rates that no one was paying in the first place because of the loopholes. Hey, why didn't Obama fix all this? He had the power, remember? Republicans couldn't do anything to stop him.

 

[The Rabbi]

We manufacture more products today than we did 20 years ago.
Another myth of the Left exploded.

Today, just under 12 million Americans work in manufacturing, down from a peak of nearly 20 million in the late 1970s. If US manufacturing had kept up with population growth we would have over 35 million manufacturing jobs.

Of course, the reason for the decrease in manufacturing jobs in the US is not just corporate investment abroad. Automation took a huge toll in manufacturing. Also the wage differential between US and many other nations was responsible for losses not just in manufacturing but in many sectors. Who's going to pay ten or fifteen dollars an hour for workers in the US to manufacture widgets when it can done in 3rd world countries for two dollars and hour?

In the second half of the 20th century when first automation and then foreign competition took away jobs, we were told don't worry. New technology and better education would tip the scales in favor of American workers and there would be plenty of jobs and not just jobs but much better jobs with higher pay. What a lot of B.S. that was. High school students that had little or no aptitude for college filled the rolls of colleges across the country driving college cost up and the quality down. As a result we have millions of people that were best suited for working in semiskilled jobs that now have college degrees, a ton of college loan debt, and low paying dead end jobs.

Has U.S. manufacturing s comeback stalled

That supports my point, it doesnt refute it. We manufacture more but efficiency improvement have meant many fewer people are engaged in doing it. Just like agriculture 100 years ago. It isnt the crisis the left talks about.

We manufacture more high end products which requires smaller numbers of workers, many of them highly trained. This is fine for the top 50% in the country. For the rest, it's dead end jobs in retailing, construction, and the service industry which provides barely enough money to survive. Unless we provide better jobs for the bottom 50%, the socialism that exist to day will continue to grow.

Thanks for confirming that I was right and you were wrong. That's some kind of progress.
So your contention is that 50% of the workforce is in "dead end" jobs (whatever those are) that barely provide enough to survive? That is also false. The standard of living has risen considerably in this country over the last 30 years at least. Now, over the last 8 years there has been stagnation as there is little job creation and virtually no business creation. Blame Democrats for that one.

Yes, the standard of living is up, but for who. The bottom 50% in the US have just over 1% of the wealth down from 3.6% in 1995 and 2.8% in 2001. It their size of the pie continues to shrink, the welfare state will continue to grow. You would have to be blind not to see the danger in this trend.

Total non-sequitur. The standard of living is up all across the board. Arguably it has gone up the most for people in the lowest 10%.

 

[Flopper]

Today, just under 12 million Americans work in manufacturing, down from a peak of nearly 20 million in the late 1970s. If US manufacturing had kept up with population growth we would have over 35 million manufacturing jobs.

Of course, the reason for the decrease in manufacturing jobs in the US is not just corporate investment abroad. Automation took a huge toll in manufacturing. Also the wage differential between US and many other nations was responsible for losses not just in manufacturing but in many sectors. Who's going to pay ten or fifteen dollars an hour for workers in the US to manufacture widgets when it can done in 3rd world countries for two dollars and hour?

In the second half of the 20th century when first automation and then foreign competition took away jobs, we were told don't worry. New technology and better education would tip the scales in favor of American workers and there would be plenty of jobs and not just jobs but much better jobs with higher pay. What a lot of B.S. that was. High school students that had little or no aptitude for college filled the rolls of colleges across the country driving college cost up and the quality down. As a result we have millions of people that were best suited for working in semiskilled jobs that now have college degrees, a ton of college loan debt, and low paying dead end jobs.

Has U.S. manufacturing s comeback stalled

That supports my point, it doesnt refute it. We manufacture more but efficiency improvement have meant many fewer people are engaged in doing it. Just like agriculture 100 years ago. It isnt the crisis the left talks about.

We manufacture more high end products which requires smaller numbers of workers, many of them highly trained. This is fine for the top 50% in the country. For the rest, it's dead end jobs in retailing, construction, and the service industry which provides barely enough money to survive. Unless we provide better jobs for the bottom 50%, the socialism that exist to day will continue to grow.

Thanks for confirming that I was right and you were wrong. That's some kind of progress.
So your contention is that 50% of the workforce is in "dead end" jobs (whatever those are) that barely provide enough to survive? That is also false. The standard of living has risen considerably in this country over the last 30 years at least. Now, over the last 8 years there has been stagnation as there is little job creation and virtually no business creation. Blame Democrats for that one.

Yes, the standard of living is up, but for who. The bottom 50% in the US have just over 1% of the wealth down from 3.6% in 1995 and 2.8% in 2001. It their size of the pie continues to shrink, the welfare state will continue to grow. You would have to be blind not to see the danger in this trend.

Total non-sequitur. The standard of living is up all across the board. Arguably it has gone up the most for people in the lowest 10%.

Nonsense

 

[The Rabbi]

That supports my point, it doesnt refute it. We manufacture more but efficiency improvement have meant many fewer people are engaged in doing it. Just like agriculture 100 years ago. It isnt the crisis the left talks about.

We manufacture more high end products which requires smaller numbers of workers, many of them highly trained. This is fine for the top 50% in the country. For the rest, it's dead end jobs in retailing, construction, and the service industry which provides barely enough money to survive. Unless we provide better jobs for the bottom 50%, the socialism that exist to day will continue to grow.

Thanks for confirming that I was right and you were wrong. That's some kind of progress.
So your contention is that 50% of the workforce is in "dead end" jobs (whatever those are) that barely provide enough to survive? That is also false. The standard of living has risen considerably in this country over the last 30 years at least. Now, over the last 8 years there has been stagnation as there is little job creation and virtually no business creation. Blame Democrats for that one.

Yes, the standard of living is up, but for who. The bottom 50% in the US have just over 1% of the wealth down from 3.6% in 1995 and 2.8% in 2001. It their size of the pie continues to shrink, the welfare state will continue to grow. You would have to be blind not to see the danger in this trend.

Total non-sequitur. The standard of living is up all across the board. Arguably it has gone up the most for people in the lowest 10%.

Nonsense

Yeah thats convincing.

 

[francoHFW]

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

Ironic, given that Reagan closed a whole bunch of loopholes when he lowered rates that no one was paying in the first place because of the loopholes. Hey, why didn't Obama fix all this? He had the power, remember? Republicans couldn't do anything to stop him.

He only had a few months and the middle of a corrupt economic meltdown is no time to do it...

 

[francoHFW]

Scott Brown's election was a disaster for the country. Mindless Pub obstruction STILL going on...

 

[hadit]

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

Ironic, given that Reagan closed a whole bunch of loopholes when he lowered rates that no one was paying in the first place because of the loopholes. Hey, why didn't Obama fix all this? He had the power, remember? Republicans couldn't do anything to stop him.

He only had a few months and the middle of a corrupt economic meltdown is no time to do it...

He hasn't done anything since, has he? He is acknowledging reality, that the economy can't take another massive tax increase, which means that taking money out of an economy is ultimately not a smart move.

 

[hadit]

Scott Brown's election was a disaster for the country. Mindless Pub obstruction STILL going on...

Pointless boilerplate rhetoric.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You do realize that taxes that some of us pay go to pay for those streets, right?

EVERYONE pays plenty of taxes EXCEPT the greedy rich, dupe.

Riiiiight. Rich people pay no taxes. And the greed is on the side of people keeping what belongs to them, rather than people demanding money from others. And black is white, up is down, a very merry un-birthday to you . . .

You do realize that this isn't Wonderland, right?

So Romney paid 10% in all taxes, while you pay 28%- very fair, Hater dupes!! And many others pay zero- including 55% of giant corps with their legions of lawyers, accountants, and lobbyists. Great job, RW idiots...

So you believed and memorized a bunch of dishonest talking points, regurgitated them at my feet, and expect me to simply accept them? Very likely, right up there with my backyard being invaded by Martians.

Great job, leftwing flatliner.

Google that, all fact. You're the dupes parotting bs propaganda, dupe.

Let's see. Do you make blank assertions, and then I run out and put in lots of search time verifying whether or not you're correct, or do I just assume that since YOU didn't do YOUR homework of substantiating your own fucking statements, that you were lying your stupid ass off? Hmmm. Let me think about that one.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

Gosh, however will I stand the shame of being considered greedy by a piece of shit thief because I decline to submit to him picking my pocket? My self-image has taken an irreparable hit, because the good opinions of garbage like you are so very, VERY essential! Wait, where's the emoji for slashing my wrists in a fit of utter despair?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies

The Reaganist top rate was 28%. The Obama top rate is 39.6%.
Idiot.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

Ironic, given that Reagan closed a whole bunch of loopholes when he lowered rates that no one was paying in the first place because of the loopholes. Hey, why didn't Obama fix all this? He had the power, remember? Republicans couldn't do anything to stop him.

He only had a few months and the middle of a corrupt economic meltdown is no time to do it...

And all those flying purple monkeys kept getting in the way.

 

[francoHFW]

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies

The Reaganist top rate was 28%. The Obama top rate is 39.6%.
Idiot.

For over 400k only. And what was it before Reagan? Moron.

 

[francoHFW]

Plus, Pubs have added so many loopholes that's almost as big a joke as the effective 12% corporate rate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.

but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies

The Reaganist top rate was 28%. The Obama top rate is 39.6%.
Idiot.

For over 400k only. And what was it before Reagan? Moron.

Married Filing Jointly was 15%, up to $29,750. 28% on all income above that.

In 2013 Obama's rates were
33.0% for income between $223,050 and $398,350
35.0% for income between $398,350 and $450,000
39.6% for income over $450,000

I could explain that 33%, 35% and 39.6% are all higher than 28%, but you're very dim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Plus, Pubs have added so many loopholes that's almost as big a joke as the effective 12% corporate rate.

Reagan closed many loopholes. You'd have to be a fucking moron to blame him for things that were added after he left office.
Oh, there you are, moron.

 

[Statistikhengst]

It is amazing what mindless drivel that you RWers can come up with the justify the GOP screwing over the middle class.....again. Just Amazing!

Fuck you. That is all that ever needs to be said to the likes of you.

You seem angry.