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dear, a court case does not trump the Constitution. We don't have a national government anyway, only a federal government whose power is granted by the states. So then, if the States wish to secede they certainly can. If they can't the hole Constitutional concept of freedom is a joke.Odd how Williams (and others here) are claiming Secession is Constitutional but completely fail to mention Texas v White (1868) where the Supreme Court ruled it was not, and do not address any of the arguments raised in it.
dear, a court case does not trump the Constitution. We don't have a national government anyway, only a federal government whose power is granted by the states. So then, if the States wish to secede they certainly can. If they can't the hole Constitutional concept of freedom is a joke.Odd how Williams (and others here) are claiming Secession is Constitutional but completely fail to mention Texas v White (1868) where the Supreme Court ruled it was not, and do not address any of the arguments raised in it.
dear, a court case does not trump the Constitution. We don't have a national government anyway, only a federal government whose power is granted by the states. So then, if the States wish to secede they certainly can. If they can't the hole Constitutional concept of freedom is a joke.Odd how Williams (and others here) are claiming Secession is Constitutional but completely fail to mention Texas v White (1868) where the Supreme Court ruled it was not, and do not address any of the arguments raised in it.
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator on what the Constitution says and means. And they ruled that a State may ONLY leave the Union if Congress agrees to let them go.
Thus unilateral leaving is Unconstitutional and is in fact insurrection against the US Government.
dear, a court case does not trump the Constitution. We don't have a national government anyway, only a federal government whose power is granted by the states. So then, if the States wish to secede they certainly can. If they can't the hole Constitutional concept of freedom is a joke.
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator on what the Constitution says and means. And they ruled that a State may ONLY leave the Union if Congress agrees to let them go.
Thus unilateral leaving is Unconstitutional and is in fact insurrection against the US Government.
as I said a court ruling does not trump the Constitution. Dred Scott was a court decision!! Here's proof: Jefferson said in the Declaration that when a government becomes abusive the people have the right to revolution.
If you deny the people such a basic right to freedom from liberal central government you deny them the very purpose of our Founding documents.
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator , you don't like their decision? To damn bad. I don't much like roe vs wade, but it is the law of the land.
You want a State to leave the union? Organize an army and force the US to agree by defeating them in battle. Because legally and Constitutionally you can ONLY leave by force or if Congress agrees.
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator , you don't like their decision? To damn bad. I don't much like roe vs wade, but it is the law of the land.
you mean current law!! Scalia and Thomas don't care much about current law just about what the Declaration and Constitution say.
You want a State to leave the union? Organize an army and force the US to agree by defeating them in battle. Because legally and Constitutionally you can ONLY leave by force or if Congress agrees.
or if the Court reads the founding documents correctly and then corrects current law
You want a State to leave the union? Organize an army and force the US to agree by defeating them in battle. Because legally and Constitutionally you can ONLY leave by force or if Congress agrees.
You can copy and paste till the cows come home. No one is seceding.
It's not about secession it's about holding people accountable to govt standards and ethics.
Whoever takes responsibility for redressing grievances, correcting the problems of bad govt, and providing restitution to taxpayers, that's who is going to be in charge.
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Not being a communist, in fact being a real conservative,
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I would not desire to emigrate.
. . . parasites have it so good in this country it would take an act of God to drive them out.
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I am not, after all, the one pining to bail out on our country. That would seem to be you.
Loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. Mark Twain
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Otherwise, you are stuck with this horrible democracy where even people who aren't you have a say.
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams
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Not being a communist, in fact being a real conservative,
To PratchettFan: Nobody who opposes the Right of secession can possibly be a conservative.
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I would not desire to emigrate.
To PratchettFan: Like I said:
To PratchettFan: Dont confuse the country with the federal government. They are separate entities.
You are loyal to the government. My loyalty to the nation resides in secession from a government that does not deserve loyalty.
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Otherwise, you are stuck with this horrible democracy where even people who aren't you have a say.
To PratchettFan: Parasites are the only ones who have a say in a democracy. I can understand their love of feeding at the public trough, I cannot understand why they are so smug about it:
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator , you don't like their decision? To damn bad. I don't much like roe vs wade, but it is the law of the land.
you mean current law!! Scalia and Thomas don't care much about current law just about what the Declaration and Constitution say.
Well, then perhaps you would be happier somewhere that people don't believe in freedom or democracy.
The Secession Movement is not getting much coverage in the MSM, but it is alive and well. Ive read a bunch of articles about secession written by knowledgeable people. Most say there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents secession. In addition to informative background Professor Walter E. Williams sums it up nicely:
What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Lets look at the secession issue.
Secession: It's constitutional
Walter E. Williams offers evidence from 18th and 19th century U.S. history
Published: 9 hours ago
by WALTER WILLIAMS
Secession: Its constitutional
Heres an entertaining, and informative video to top off the topic:
Secession: American as apple pie
You want a State to leave the union? Organize an army and force the US to agree by defeating them in battle. Because legally and Constitutionally you can ONLY leave by force or if Congress agrees.
To RetiredGySgt: I do not want to turn this thread into a debate about gun controls, but I am so glad you said Organize an army . . . .
Government chest-pounders always give the impression they are staunch defenders of the Constitution when it is the government they are defending. Those same chest-pounders are woefully lacking when it comes to defending Americas sovereignty. In fact, they openly support the very people who betray this country to the UNIC (United Nations/International Community) every day.
Based on your call for civil war you obviously believe the federal government would win such a conflict makes me wonder if you are a strong supporter of the Second Amendment along with the rest of the Constitution, or if you support the federal governments unrelenting attempts to abolish gun ownership.
NOTE: REGISTRATION is the final step before confiscation.
The United Nations Small Arms Treaty is the latest attempt to disarm the people you say should organize an army. The federal government supports the ATT (Arms Trade Treaty) as it supports every other United Nations treaty ever written. See this thread for a more detailed discussion:
Hussein winning the election changed a few things since I posted that thread. For one thing gun control advocates picked up several Senate seats. As far as I know Hussein is still short of the 67 votes needed to ratify but he is closer. Notice that UN-loving sneaks are trying to disarm the American people by treaty rather than by amending the Constitution.
Finally, the Second Amendment itself reduces the edge government chest-pounders rely on:
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You may want to actually get to know the posters here. Making broad sweeping statements usually results in getting it wrong.
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I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Though I have no problem with fully automatic weapons being registered.
I have my ammo and weapons ready in case a need arises to resist.
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Obama speech on civilian security force - YouTube
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But claiming a State can freely leave the Union is a lie and a foolish statement. It ignores the law and reality.
The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator , you don't like their decision? To damn bad. I don't much like roe vs wade, but it is the law of the land.
you mean current law!! Scalia and Thomas don't care much about current law just about what the Declaration and Constitution say.
Justice Scalia has said states have no right to secede.
Huh?you mean current law!! Scalia and Thomas don't care much about current law just about what the Declaration and Constitution say.
Justice Scalia has said states have no right to secede.
what freedom do we really have if we cant secede?? We didn't sign declaration?? or agree to Constitution did we??
Huh?Justice Scalia has said states have no right to secede.
what freedom do we really have if we cant secede?? We didn't sign declaration?? or agree to Constitution did we??
Here's the facts. NY, VA and RI refused to ratify the Constitution, meaning there would have been NO constitution, unless their right to leave said union at their discretion was allowed, and a right granted to one state, in this case the right to secede, is granted to all states by the Constitution. The ONLY thing stopping secession today is the memory of how the fascist federal govt, under the most fascist president we ever had up till obama, illegally invaded, first the Sovereign state of Virginia, then the other peaceful Southern states that had seceded. That memory is getting more and more distant though as the federal govt gets more and more oppressive.
