It's Always About Transparency

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    Eventually everything does come out, but science isn't supposed to be this way:

    DailyTech - Climatologists Trade Tips on Destroying Evidence, Evangelizing Warming

    While so many are screaming about the 'skeptics' ignoring science, the problem has more to do with trusting what's coming out on climate.
     
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    Why should we trust your interpretation of what was said? If someone STOLE your off-the-cuff comments and broadcast them worldwide, you'd be screaming bloody murder. Then to top it all off, the skeptics totally misinterpret the content because..., they're REALLY the ones pushing a poltical agenda and pretending those reacting to their tactics are the real culprits. Nice try denierbot, sell your worn out theories elsewhere. :cool:
     
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    There was no political agenda, the topic was scientists. There was no mention of alternative theories. It's not a matter of interpretation, it's taking words literally. It's silencing of others being able to replicate, by not including all data. That those who consider themselves 'enlightened' and find no problems with these scientists, you are living in a dream world.
     
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    konradv- the Team complained that the first batch of emails were taken out of context. this second batch gives context to the first, and itis even worse than we thought. have you even read any of the email streams? if you have I find it hard to believe that you trust the climategate principals, or much of their work, and especially the whitewash investigations that should have found this incriminating evidence before the whistleblower had to release a new batch of emails.
     
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    I wonder if the Kon will read this devastating piece that clarifies why the second batch is likely to cause more fallout than the 2009 batch?

    Climategate (Part II) | The Weekly Standard
     
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    But the Goddamned glaciers and ice caps just keep melting. The Ocean continues to get more acidic. And you idiots keep trying to deny reality in any way possible. Looks like 2011 will go down as the tenth warmest year on record. In spite of the fact it was a year of a very strong La Nina, and low TSI.

    Sorry, but manufactured scandals are all you have.
     
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    Are you stomping your feet and jumping up and down? You act like these things have never happened before!:lol::lol: What a sad shill you are.
     
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    Progress of a small sort. The 'but' meaning the scientists haven't been so 'scientific', no? That seems obvious. Now for the warming/melting, may be cyclical, may be a result of man. My feelings are that without verifiable facts are that we continue to assume the possibility that humans might be putting in play the actions of their own destruction and work on counteracting those behaviors. That doesn't mean killing off all fossil fuels without affordable, workable alternatives. It shouldn't mean trading off the 'costs' of current light bulbs, with those that are likely from all studies to cause more pollution and environmental hazards than what we know.

    Governments, not just the US, but historical government has more 'unintended consequences' than any other body on earth. Yes, what is the bottom line in those emails is governments, from the UN to EU to US to Canada to the Middle East.
     
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    And LEDs cause environmental pollution how?

    The fact that GHGs cause warming was established over 100 years ago. Further scientific studies have all confirmed that. Annie, I believe that you have stated that you are a school teacher. If I have not mixed you up with another poster, here is a site from the American Institute of Physics that gives the scientific history of the study of GHGs.

    The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

    Nobody with any sanity has proposed instantly ceasing the use of fossil fuels. What has been proposed, and resisted with extreme rhetoric, is the expansion of research in energies that do not create GHGs. And then implementation of the building of the neccessary infrastructure to use that energy. And none care whether that energy is cold fusion, or a combination of wind, solar, geothermal, and all the other clean energies.

    Given the lag effect of the GHGs, that is, we will not feel the full effect of the present level of GHGs until 30 to 50 years from now, rapid implementation would be to the advantage of all, as we are seeing the effects of the GHG level from the '80's right now in the price of groceries.

    Governments are our biggest units of society by neccessity. And, yes, they do have unintended effects very often. Effects that go both ways. But todays 'Conservatives' only recognize the negative, never giving any credit to government for the many positives. And, in a democracy, or democratic republic, government is the people. That is the primary failing of democracy. People get the government they deserve. If they desire a government full of anti-science know nothings, that is what they get.
     
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    The enemies of science defend this behavior.
     

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