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    How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism

    by John Ray [exerpted for brevity]

    "Skeptics today bemoan the overwhelming proportion of people who claim to believe in all manner of conspiracy theories from the JFK assassination to the origins of HIV-AIDS. For that reason, it may be worthwhile to take a moment to stop and celebrate one area in which skeptical advocacy has been overwhelming successful: the world of 9/11 conspiracies...

    A tragedy on a scale at least comparable to Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination was bound to inspire a conspiracy subculture, but the takeoff success of the viral Internet documentary Loose Change and the movement it created was unprecedented...

    Yet, in just under four years, the 9/11 “truth movement” has ground to a halt. Apart from the fundamental incoherence of their theories, the downfall of the 9/11 denier juggernaut was good old-fashioned skepticism at its finest, the kind that conjures visions of James Randi challenging psychics and faith healers on their home turfs and winning...

    Staking their fortunes almost solely on Internet-based content may have been the 9/11 deniers’ biggest mistake. What seems like a perfect place for pseudoscience — the Internet is un-edited, without fact-checkers or minimum publishing standards of any kind — also became a perfect place for a rapid-response system of blogs and forums to fight back...

    The Internet forced many “ground-level” 9/11 deniers — those who spread the gospel on popular social networking sites like Facebook and in their own blogosphere — into a rhetorical corner.

    Instantaneous information traps old, well-discussed claims into sheer redundancy. In three years of debating 9/11 deniers, I have encountered almost the exact same laundry list of claims on dozens of occasions. The same resources have been successful in debunking 9/11 myths since their inception, tipping the debate against them..."

    Skeptic » eSkeptic » Wednesday, June 4th, 2008
     
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    The James Randi Educational Forum is a great debunking source.
     
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    Yes of course the all knowing 9-11 truth debunker who likes little boys..You people are a fucking joke...:lol:
     
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    Typical point by point refutation by a typically lame CT. Way to go, Princess. BTW, grow the fuck up. :D
     
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    Oh what's the matter poobut? Your hero turned out to be closet faggot child molester, and your other "skeptic" hero only knows how to rag on strawmen? Hey here's a thought...try abstaining from getting shitfaced so much and posting while drunk...nothing worse then a stupid drunk who thinks he knows what he's talking about....Just a little helpful advice poobut.
     
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    I can understand why rightwingers would be government conspiracy theorists. It's because they think big government is inherently evil. What I don't understand is why those on the left are as well like 9/11 goof balls or those that theorize about JFK. After all, it is their goal to make government bigger and more powerful so they can presumably do more of this poo. :lol:
     
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    I believe I respectfully disagree. I believe that certain intelligence sources and black ops people were quite aware of the 9-11 plot, and likely assisted with the process to enable an American military agenda in the Middle East. An Iraq invasion was the ultimate goal--Afghanistan was an unfortunate byproduct that was necessary because of the Taliban influence with OBL.

    In other words, Al Qaeda conducted the 9-11 attack--and they did so easily, with a little "nudge" from interests we have no control over.

    The nutcases out there promoting "controlled demolition" and "missiles" fired at the Pentagon were merely disinformation strings that made all conspiracy theories involving 9-11 look stupid.

    Why do I believe this?

    (1) The attacks were too well orchestrated, too well planned, and too successful to be the product of a bunch of ragtag terrorists.

    (2) There was obviously some prior knowledge of AQ activities before this happened.

    (3) The political outcome of the attacks enabled the establishment of the "Department of Homeland Security," vastly more invasive surveillance of American citizens, and a gigantic uptick in defense industry contracts.

    (4) The outcome also provided an excuse to invade Iraq.

    Those guys needed high-level help; they could not have pulled that off on their own.
     
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    Poo? Are you kidding? Government consists of people..people who are out of control and out of touch with the people they are supposed to be advocating for.
    Corporations and special interests conspire with them so both party's can gain, and Americans don't.
    You talk of conspiracies as though a "conspiracy" is some made up shit like Santa Claus.
    You've been conditioned to dismiss the possibilities of things for fear of being ostracized, while real conspiracies are truly ripping your nation apart.
    People have been conditioned to believe that only the conspiracies that the state claims, are true and real, no matter how fucking ridiculous or contrary to science, or lacking evidence they may be.
    Some of you people put Bigfoot and reptilian aliens in the same category as the attack of 9-11. You can't get any
    more idiotic then that. It's fucking shocking the level of ignorant stupidity that is displayed by some of you. Guess what...there is a huge difference, and folks know it :lol:
    Fucking idiots come on here and can't seem to differentiate between total BS and and an attack on YOUR nation that is the most profound thing you, your family and for some, your kids have ever had to experience to date.
    Dumbfucks posting idiotic shit and think they're clever when they can't even rub 2 brain cells together to create the spark of an intelligent thought that pertains to an event like 9-11.
    I'm not surprised this nation is in the shit shape that it is in with the level of stupidity and ignorance displayed by some posters. It's no surprise we have morons and criminals leading the country as a result.

    And you believe all the grand and elaborate BS and unlikely stories from a historically notorious lying entity, and even argue on their behalf about it, instead of questioning the validity of their claims and the ones who are responsible for it. The ones who lied and stole, and who mocked and laughed while
    at a podium, pretending to look for the elusive WMD's, much to the delight and laughter of the elites in attendance that never had to face or say goodbye to a loved one killed or wounded in their wars.

    The left/right is really no difference, it is only a charade to keep you distracted and stupid, and bickering with each other. They both talk of things like the budget, yet do not ever address the real problem that has enslaved the nation in perpetual debt like the non Federal Reserve.

    We actually elect people that promise one thing and do the exact opposite, from both branches. Every fucking time...all the fucking time.
    Obama pleged to have the most open administration and talked a good game especially against the Bush regime, but it is anything but that.
    Some observant citizens complain. Some idiots complain about birth certificates, when the result is the same no matter where he was born or who spawned him.

    Some of us bitch and moan and complain to the elected officials, maybe sign some petition that probably gets laughed at and shit canned anyway, but the interests that control them ultimately win out over the people all the time.
    You aren't free to really mount any sort of real protests. You've seen what happens when we do, the pepper spraying, the brutalization of protestors, harassment, even killings.
    So you figure you'll join against the protesting side out of cowardice and fear.

    They even have the audacity to allow poison in our food and water, and even tell us what we can grow, and even eat.
    If you don't abide by their laws and rules, they'll find a way to get you to do what they want. One way or another. We aren't free to say no, so it's easier to just stop saying NO
    to whatever it is we don't agree with. If we don't, we run the risk of being noticed or getting in trouble, or maybe being ostracized and ridiculed by other cowards and making things bad for ourselves. This seems to be the collective thinking, and it is rampant on these message boards.
    What would some of you do if there was another "terrorist" attack, and martial law was declared and they came to confiscate all firearms, or some economic "problem" and all the gold, silver, platinum etc..was to be turned in or confiscated AGAIN?

    If you protest and stand against what you feel is unjust, you can be dragged through the Just-Us system until the lawyers fees bankrupt you, and you lose everything you ever earned, perhaps get sick because of the ordeal and die.
    That's fine by them because they don't give a shit about you and yours anyway.
    This has happened around the country, to good people. We know this is true, and it is a valid reason for being afraid. Fear is counted on to obtain the obedience the desire from us.
    Many of our fellow citizens have been persecuted, and have lost all they have, and even died as a result of government tyranny, theft and corruption, but since it may not have happened to you or anyone you know, you don't care, not stopping to think and realizing that something similar may effect you personally someday.
    What if there was no recourse, no system even in place, no laws to protect you from the injustice? What if what was in place for centuries to afford you protection from injustice had been taken away?
    This is already happening here in America, but you don't think so or don't care because it hasn't personally effected you.
    You feel safe in the perceived safety of the little cocoon, you call a life. Forced having to trust the people that you are compelled to believe in and trust with your safety and your life. You think you are being given a "choice" but in the end of a billion dollar circus that is called a campaign, you only have 2 choices, that do not address the real issues effecting any real change or positive direction.
    We look for comfort in things we perceive we can control as an alternative. Hand me the remote...

    We have been and still are being controlled, cajoled and manipulated into siding against our own best interests as a nation divided in a supposedly free republic. We have become complacent and lazy, medicated into a docile stupor to where the mere thought of
    being summoned to observe and think something may be wrong with our conditioned social or world views is too much to fathom. It's too much effort, and the easy way out is always the most desired, and in many cases denial to the fullest extent is preferable then facing an uncomfortable truth.

    Those in authority and in charge, are and have, incrementally instilled a sense of obedience to, and a fear of, a system that does not benefit or uplift us or humanity in general, and they depend on these 2 things to make you the obedient little debt slave you are and they envision that your children will continue to be.
    Our ancestors were their debt slaves yesterday we are their debt slaves today and our children will be the debt slaves of tomorrow. The difference is that our ancestors had the capacity to realize this at one time and joined in unison to resist, and win.
    They left a legacy of what they fought against and reminded us to be ever vigilant and guard against corruption and government tyranny.
    Today one is taught to think that these things are out dated or extinct, or that they can never be resurrected, especially in America but they have permeated every facet of our society and are present everywhere.

    Think about this for once...We vote for people that constantly say one thing, but then participate in ways counter to their words and take up legislation and causes that undermine your rights away and put limitations on the freedoms the nation has in place.
    Why is that? What is behind their sudden turn of opinion and actions?

    Perhaps tomorrow your kids wont even know the definition of the word "freedom".
    People don't seem to care either, because after all, they went to work today, stopped by Applebees for drinks, used their social media that is being monitored to spy on them like Twitter and Facebook and experienced no problems, so they figure it doesn't effect them, what's the harm?.
    Not realizing it is an incremental process that takes place hardly noticeable, setting us up for the day when some "executive" declaration of some sort is declared that isn't agreed with and we look to dust off those freedoms and rights we took for granted would always be there, (they're on some paper or something right?) but to our ignorant surprise are no longer valid, perhaps having been done away with a little at a time as part of some other bills pushed through congress, not read or noticed by those you voted into office to secure your safety. Maybe part of some emergency financial budget bill...

    The public wouldn't notice because we are too busy attending to our lives jobs and families, blissfully thinking it could never happen here. Have you bothered to look at what attachments are in some of the bills your lawmakers and representatives are involved with?

    These things have happened before. Seemingly intelligent people in free societies.
    The same way the German people went along, slowly, incrementally, psychologically.
    So when you may have asked "how could they have let that evil man Hitler do all those things"?
    Now you know.
    The architects of the German psychological molding machine were studied and used in many places. The atrocities and tactics the Nazis used and were condemned to death for are the same being used by our own government, and in South Africa, and in today's Israel.
    It doesn't take a genius to look at things like this and make the comparisons or figure it out.

    It does take some willing effort as the information and the history is vast, and we must stop depending on and having blind faith and confidence in others to tell us everything or "take care of" everything for us and stop the unquestioning blind faith approach.

    Conspiracies that are detrimental to Americans, in all manner of things including and especially their government are very real. Those that say otherwise are very much mistaken and have been conditioned to deny this truth, and have evolved into nothing more then unthinking idiots who advocate on behalf of their own slavery.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygtqaH-hnFs&feature=player_embedded]THE AMERICAN IDIOT - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    You conspiracy morons are the dumbest, most gullible idiots on the planet. You are the exact opposite of skeptics, willing to believe the most fantastic and improbable of events because you are totally submerged in your pathological hatred of government. This pathological hatred makes you unable to discern context. You guys take every nuance and discrepancy as proof of your little conspiracy theories but totally ignore massive, overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You use singular past events to rationalize any conspiracy, and have virtually no understanding of probabilities. You guys are a joke, rightfully condemned to the lunatic, nutter fringe of society, totally obsessed as you are unable to deal with randomness.

    Other than that, have a nice weekend.
     
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