It's all about integrity, stupid!

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  1. Merlin1047

    Merlin1047 Senior Member

    Mar 28, 2004
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    The following article was in my e-mail today, sent to me by a Vet. Although I do not agree with it entirely (especially the lead paragraph), it quantifies the feelings I and many Vets have about kerry. Peters does a better job presenting the argument than I could mainly because I have no emotional detachment. I am not totally rational when it comes to the Boston whore. Matter of fact, if I could, I would cheefully grab him by the throat and not let go till his tongue hung out like a red necktie.

    But other than that, I still don't like him.

    New York Post Article by Ralph Peters

    August 24, 2004 -- JOHN Kerry went to Vietnam. Voluntarily. Given that
    President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and every chicken-hawk in the
    coop did all they could to avoid getting the mud of Indochina on their
    loafers, his service should make Kerry the election-year choice of those who
    serve, or once served, in our country's uniform. Instead, military men and women are overwhelmingly suspicious of Kerry. Many despise him so intensely that their emotions verge on hatred.

    What went wrong?

    There are three big problems with Kerry from the standpoint of those who
    are proud of their military service. And one of those reservations has been
    overlooked entirely by the parade of talking heads, so few of whom have
    served in uniform themselves.

    As far as the swift-boat controversy goes, it's likely to remain a he-said-she-said issue through Election Day. The red flag to military men and women is that so many swift-boat veterans have come out against John Kerry. Not just one. Not 10. Dozens upon dozens.

    This is as rare as humility in the Hamptons. Vets stick together. Kerry
    likes to play up his "band of brothers" image, but if he's got a band, his
    opponents have a symphony. And even if the first violinist turns out to be a
    "Republican stooge," it's nonetheless stunning for so many vets to denounce
    a former comrade publicly. It just doesn't happen unless something's really

    As for Kerry's support from his own crew, that's normal military psychology. You get the most objective view of a junior leader from his peers ? the other swift-boat commanders (and their crews) who had to fear a weak link in the chain.

    I'm not a Vietnam vet, so I don't have as big an emotional dog in the
    fight as those who served so bravely and so thanklessly in Indochina. But
    some values are universal among those who wear or wore our country's

    Yes, Kerry deserves credit for serving, whether he volunteered out of
    patriotism or because he had cast himself as the "next JFK," with a swift
    boat subbing for PT-109.

    The first show-stopper problem with Kerry began after his return. He had
    the right to protest against the war ? more than most, since he had served
    himself. But he had not earned the right to lie about the honorable service
    of millions of others.

    Kerry's lies ? and they were nothing but lies ? about "routine" atrocities
    committed by average American soldiers and sanctioned by the chain of
    command were sheer political opportunism. Kerry knew that none of the
    charges were true.

    He'd been there. He may have done some stupid things himself, but
    atrocities were statistically very rare. Contrary to the myths cherished by
    film-makers, American troops behaved remarkably well under dreadful

    John Kerry lied. Without remorse. To advance his budding political career.
    He tarnished the reputation of his comrades when the military was out of

    Now, three decades later, camouflage is back in the fall fashion line-up.
    Suddenly, Kerry's proud of his service, portraying himself as a war hero.

    But it doesn't work that way. You can't trash those who served in front of
    Congress and the American people, spend your senatorial career voting
    against our nation's security interests, then expect vets to love you when
    you abruptly change your tune.

    Kerry might have won support had he apologized frankly for what he said in
    the early 1970s. But he no more disavowed his lies than he disclaimed the
    lies of Michael Moore.

    Which brings us to problems two and three.

    John Kerry doesn't show a trace of integrity. Those constant flip-flops to
    suit the prevailing political winds are more troubling to military folks
    than many of the issues themselves.

    Integrity matters to those in uniform. You have to be able to depend on
    the guy in the next foxhole ? or swift boat. Trust is more important than
    any technology.

    And John Kerry just doesn't seem trustworthy.

    Finally ? and this is the one the pundits have trouble grasping, given the
    self-promoting nature of today's culture ? real heroes don't call themselves
    heroes. Honorable soldiers or sailors don't brag. They let their deeds speak
    for themselves. Some of the most off-putting words any veteran can utter are "I'm a war hero."

    Real heroes (and I've been honored to know some) never portray their
    service in grandiose terms, telling TV cameras that they're reporting for
    duty. Real heroes may be proud of the sacrifices they offered, but they
    don't shout for attention.

    This is so profoundly a part of the military code of behavior that it
    cannot be over-emphasized. The rule is that those who brag about being
    heroes usually aren't heroes at all. Bragging is for drunks at the end of
    the bar, not for real vets. And certainly not for anyone who wishes to trade
    on his service to become our commander-in-chief.

    I wish Kerry were better. The truth is that I'm appalled by Bush's
    domestic policies. I believe that the Cheney-Halliburton connection stinks
    to high heaven. And I'm convinced that Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld & Co. have done colossal damage to our military and to our foreign policy.

    But we're at war. And for all his faults, Bush has proven himself as a
    great wartime leader. Despite painful mistakes, he's served our security
    needs remarkably well. And security trumps all else in the age of terror.

    Kerry says many of the right things. But I can't believe a word of it. I
    just can't trust John Kerry. I can't trust him to lead, I can't trust him to
    fight ? and I can't trust him to make the right kind of peace.

    I have reservations about voting for George W. Bush. But I have no
    reservations about voting against John Kerry. And I'm not alone.

    Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer and a regular Post contributor.

    So that's the aspect of kerry that really frosts my cookies. The man has no honor and no integrity. Now apparently those qualities don't count for much among some liberals because they keep trying to change the subject whenever you want to discuss the issue. While I was an officer in the military, honor, integrity, loyalty and courage were stressed, expected and highly prized attributes. They continue to be highly important to me today. John kerry is totally devoid of any of those.

    Whenever a person in the military gave his word, it was a sacred committment. John kerry cannot commit to anything because he is a professional liar who changes his positions based on the audience to whom he is speaking.

    When you ask a soldier a question, you may rightly assume the answer you get will be the truth as he knows it. John kerry wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass. John kerry wouldn't tell the truth

    So for many of us the process used for formulating a decision on whom to vote for this November is not based so much on particular issues as it is on the personal attributes of the candidate. We view integrity, morality, honor, loyalty, courage and ethics as far more important characteristics of a leader than his stance on any single issue.

    In that light, John kerry is not qualified to lead a pack of Cub Scouts to a candy store.
  2. Mr. P

    Mr. P Senior Member

    Aug 5, 2004
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    Well said...Merlin.
  3. Adam's Apple

    Adam's Apple Senior Member

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    The Vietnam War is another instance of how Kerry flip-flops. Kerry's testimony before Congress re the Vietnam war reflects the real John Kerry. The Swift Boat Vets for Truth, and the thousands of Vietnam vets like them, are the real American heroes in this story.

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