It's a Matter of Honor - the 8/28 Rally at the Lincoln Memorial

[Avatar4321]

Don't be thick; you've proven you smarter than the average RWer. Do you not understand the presence of an exception establishes that a general rule exists?
If you object to the superlative, simply accept my remarks as a bit (a tiny bit) of hyperbole and substitute (most, many, some) for all.

Hyperbole that is based on reality is fine. I use it all the time (and take a lot of grief because I do.) But hyperbole that is based on unsupportable prejudice or indefensible assumptions is not fine. And it should not be acceptable to any intelligent person.

So again, I am asking those who dislike, distrust, disrespect, and/or hate Glenn Beck to give me something to work with here. Why is he sufficient to discredit a rally intended to restore America's honor? What do you think will happen at this rally that justifies the truly hateful rhetoric being said about it?

I DISLIKE ALL (there goes that superlative again) opportunists whose actions have consequences which are likely to cause harm. I dislike people, generally, who use populists rhetoric for personal gain when the consequences of divisive rhetoric are likely to cause harm to others.
Yep, that makes me a bleeding heart liberal in the (small) minds of the contemporary conservative. Yet, my values were formed by the teaching of Catholic Nuns who used the words of Jesus (of course all of this occured before I realized the Catholic relgion, as are ALL [there he goes again] religions, are little more than self-serving quasi-political organizations.
I don't hate Beck, I simply believe he's a piece of shit. Shit defined as something I don't want in the punch bowl at a party I attend.

Not healthy to hate yourself.

 

[Avatar4321]

I love people who are using her support to try and prove this rally is legit, especially when his son is speaking out against it, and Beck.

"My King relative trumps your King relative."

Pretty sad.

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

 

[bodecea]

I love people who are using her support to try and prove this rally is legit, especially when his son is speaking out against it, and Beck.

"My King relative trumps your King relative."

Pretty sad.

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

"You guys"? I'm doing that? Where did I do that?

 

[Foxfyre]

I wonder if those going to this event will FINALLY be proud of America.

Sorry, we arent the First Lady. We've always been proud of America. We just don't want the cancer of corruption to destroy it.

It was interesting in a recent Rasumussen poll (posted on the Top Priorities thread yesterday) that the economy and jobs remains the #1 priority for most Americans this week. The #2 priority was corruption in government.

Given those results, I would think the 8/28 rally is quite timely and will attract a great deal of attention.

 

[Luissa]

I love people who are using her support to try and prove this rally is legit, especially when his son is speaking out against it, and Beck.

"My King relative trumps your King relative."

Pretty sad.

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

Who posted the first article about an MLK relative? I believe it was a conservative. MLK's son has been speaking out against the rally for probably a week.

 

[Avatar4321]

Hyperbole that is based on reality is fine. I use it all the time (and take a lot of grief because I do.) But hyperbole that is based on unsupportable prejudice or indefensible assumptions is not fine. And it should not be acceptable to any intelligent person.

So again, I am asking those who dislike, distrust, disrespect, and/or hate Glenn Beck to give me something to work with here. Why is he sufficient to discredit a rally intended to restore America's honor? What do you think will happen at this rally that justifies the truly hateful rhetoric being said about it?

I DISLIKE ALL (there goes that superlative again) opportunists whose actions have consequences which are likely to cause harm. I dislike people, generally, who use populists rhetoric for personal gain when the consequences of divisive rhetoric are likely to cause harm to others.
Yep, that makes me a bleeding heart liberal in the (small) minds of the contemporary conservative. Yet, my values were formed by the teaching of Catholic Nuns who used the words of Jesus (of course all of this occured before I realized the Catholic relgion, as are ALL [there he goes again] religions, are little more than self-serving quasi-political organizations.
I don't hate Beck, I simply believe he's a piece of shit. Shit defined as something I don't want in the punch bowl at a party I attend.

Would you attend the party if Beck wasn't there? You know, racists hate/belittle/diminish/marginalize/patronize people of other races because they are a different race. Racists can't tell you why they see another race as inferior or evil or unacceptable. They just feel it in their bones.

That's pretty much what I'm getting from you guys on the Left re Beck. You just 'feel it in your bones' that he is unacceptable and that all the hateful things said about him are true. And yet when pushed to do so, you can't come up with anything to justify your opinion that "he's a piece of shit."

Doesn't that cause you to stop and think at all? WHY you think that about him? When you have absolutely nothing to base it on other than others tell you that's the way you're supposed to think about him?

They hate Glenn because he is what they aren't: Geniune. He isn't trying to be someone he isn't. He knows He has done some rotten crap in his life. He knows that it's only by the Grace of God that anyone listens to anything He has to say.

People who are phoney always hate the people who are geniune. It reminds them of what they aren't. Glenn's gone through his demons. He isn't hiding from them. And they can't comprehend that. So they have to reassure themselves and tell themselves how horrible Glenn is.

However, it really doesn't matter what kind of a scumbag someone was or currently is. When they are right, they are right.

 

[Zoom-boing]

I love it how you are attacking him to pretend as though the rally isn't legit.

Well I don't think it is. To me someone like Beck does not represent honor or civil rights. People who make comments about other people's mothers are not honorable. Why would I like someone, who if given the chance would wrongly call me a socialist or communist? Beck is a hack.

Why?'

What has Beck said that is dishonorable? Please be specific and keep it in context.

What has Beck said that is offensive to civil rights? Please be specific and keep it in context.

What has he said about anybody's mother? Please show specific evidence and keep it in context.

What has he said that would identify you as a socialist or communist? Please show specific evidence and keep it in context.

The fact is that the most hateful rhetoric you can find on the internet is in leftwing blogs and commentaries that use this kind of slur to attack Beck and, by association, the rally itself. But nobody seems to be able to come up with anything specific to justify the hate. To me that is destructive, dishonest, hateful, and should not be acceptable to fair minded Americans. Be specific or don't repeat the garbage.

DISCLAIMER: I have every bit as much contempt for Rightwing blogs that deal in dishonest sound bites, talking points, and made up garbage they can't back up with anything in order to attack or smear people.

Don't hold your breath waiting for actual answers. All you'll get is generalizations, he's a dry drunk, he's a hack, blah, blah, blah. No specifics though. That's cause it's hard to argue with common sense.

 

[Avatar4321]

"My King relative trumps your King relative."

Pretty sad.

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

Who posted the first article about an MLK relative? I believe it was a conservative. MLK's son has been speaking out against the rally for probably a week.

Yeah, we did post it. Why? Because you were claiming that it was a racist event against MLKs dream. We provided evidence for why its not.

You guys are the ones saying. Well MLKs son is over here and not there. Has he spoken against it? I havent seen the quote.

See you guys started by claiming it was racist, and now since you have shown to be liars in that regard, you are switching arguments and pretending its your opponents making your ridiculous claims.

Doesn't it bother you guys to be unable to admit when you are wrong about something?

 

[Avatar4321]

"My King relative trumps your King relative."

Pretty sad.

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

"You guys"? I'm doing that? Where did I do that?

I just quoted you guys. I really don't think I need to quote you again.

 

[Luissa]

Yeah, it actually is pretty sad that you guys are doing that.

Who posted the first article about an MLK relative? I believe it was a conservative. MLK's son has been speaking out against the rally for probably a week.

Yeah, we did post it. Why? Because you were claiming that it was a racist event against MLKs dream. We provided evidence for why its not.

You guys are the ones saying. Well MLKs son is over here and not there. Has he spoken against it? I havent seen the quote.

See you guys started by claiming it was racist, and now since you have shown to be liars in that regard, you are switching arguments and pretending its your opponents making your ridiculous claims.

Doesn't it bother you guys to be unable to admit when you are wrong about something?

My father championed free speech. He would be the first to say that those participating in Beck's rally have the right to express their views. But his dream rejected hateful rhetoric and all forms of bigotry or discrimination, whether directed at race, faith, nationality, sexual orientation or political beliefs. He envisioned a world where all people would recognize one another as sisters and brothers in the human family. Throughout his life he advocated compassion for the poor, nonviolence, respect for the dignity of all people and peace for humanity.
Martin Luther King III: Beck's 8/28 Rally Doesn't Honor My Father's Ideals

And I have provided many quotes in the other thread, if you would bother to look. So don't give me that crap.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think that's why I find myself liking and appreciating Glenn Beck, Avatar. He never blows his own horn. He doesn't pretend to be any kind of saint or righteous person. He just calls it as he sees it, and he is offering a perspective that nobody--not Rush, not Hannity, not anybody else with a national forum--is regularly putting out there. And he is 100% non partisan. I don't always agree with his conclusions, but he damn sure makes me think. And he's sent me scrambling to look up stuff numerous times.

I'm not a regular Glenn Beck listener to either his radio or TV shows, but what I have heard covninces me there is nobody more qualified or deserving to lead a rally to restore American honor tomorrow. And I am thrilled with the focus on that as I think most Americans will be. As the Rasmussen poll indicated: graft, corruption, dishonesty, dishonor is the #2 issue on America's mind right now and I think they're ready to deal with it.

 

[Luissa]

Palin is going to be there isn't she?
So we are suppose to go along with a woman, who stood up for a woman who used the N word many times on her show? I think MLK might have a problem with that.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hyperbole that is based on reality is fine. I use it all the time (and take a lot of grief because I do.) But hyperbole that is based on unsupportable prejudice or indefensible assumptions is not fine. And it should not be acceptable to any intelligent person.

So again, I am asking those who dislike, distrust, disrespect, and/or hate Glenn Beck to give me something to work with here. Why is he sufficient to discredit a rally intended to restore America's honor? What do you think will happen at this rally that justifies the truly hateful rhetoric being said about it?

I DISLIKE ALL (there goes that superlative again) opportunists whose actions have consequences which are likely to cause harm. I dislike people, generally, who use populists rhetoric for personal gain when the consequences of divisive rhetoric are likely to cause harm to others.
Yep, that makes me a bleeding heart liberal in the (small) minds of the contemporary conservative. Yet, my values were formed by the teaching of Catholic Nuns who used the words of Jesus (of course all of this occured before I realized the Catholic relgion, as are ALL [there he goes again] religions, are little more than self-serving quasi-political organizations.
I don't hate Beck, I simply believe he's a piece of shit. Shit defined as something I don't want in the punch bowl at a party I attend.

Not healthy to hate yourself.

You really are clever. The idiotgram seems to be the highest form of contemporary conservative thought.

 

[Luissa]

So you support someone who talks about hating 9/11 victims and Katrina victims? And if you want links check the other thread. I have already provided many quotes in that thread, that back up my claim.

 

[Foxfyre]

Palin is going to be there isn't she?
So we are suppose to go along with a woman, who stood up for a woman who used the N word many times on her show? I think MLK might have a problem with that.

No, MLK would not have a problem with that.

But Sarah will not be speaking on any political issues. Her role will be introducing heroes of the military, as a mother, not as a candidate or candidate's advocate.

Attendees have been asked not to bring any political signs or slogans to this rally.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I think that's why I find myself liking and appreciating Glenn Beck, Avatar. He never blows his own horn. He doesn't pretend to be any kind of saint or righteous person. He just calls it as he sees it, and he is offering a perspective that nobody--not Rush, not Hannity, not anybody else with a national forum--is regularly putting out there. And he is 100% non partisan. I don't always agree with his conclusions, but he damn sure makes me think. And he's sent me scrambling to look up stuff numerous times.

I'm not a regular Glenn Beck listener to either his radio or TV shows, but what I have heard covninces me there is nobody more qualified or deserving to lead a rally to restore American honor tomorrow. And I am thrilled with the focus on that as I think most Americans will be. As the Rasmussen poll indicated: graft, corruption, dishonesty, dishonor is the #2 issue on America's mind right now and I think they're ready to deal with it.

Strike my comment that you are smarter than the average RWer; it appears you and Avatar are much alike, you simply know how to write a sentence and spell.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think that's why I find myself liking and appreciating Glenn Beck, Avatar. He never blows his own horn. He doesn't pretend to be any kind of saint or righteous person. He just calls it as he sees it, and he is offering a perspective that nobody--not Rush, not Hannity, not anybody else with a national forum--is regularly putting out there. And he is 100% non partisan. I don't always agree with his conclusions, but he damn sure makes me think. And he's sent me scrambling to look up stuff numerous times.

I'm not a regular Glenn Beck listener to either his radio or TV shows, but what I have heard covninces me there is nobody more qualified or deserving to lead a rally to restore American honor tomorrow. And I am thrilled with the focus on that as I think most Americans will be. As the Rasmussen poll indicated: graft, corruption, dishonesty, dishonor is the #2 issue on America's mind right now and I think they're ready to deal with it.

Strike my comment that you are smarter than the average RWer; it appears you and Avatar are much alike, you simply know how to write a sentence and spell.

Woo hoo. I win, I win, I WIN!!!! When they are out of ammo and have to attack me, they've got nothing.

 

[Foxfyre]

So you support someone who talks about hating 9/11 victims and Katrina victims? And if you want links check the other thread. I have already provided many quotes in that thread, that back up my claim.

I have never EVER heard Glenn Beck say that he hates anybody. And if you have something in full context from a reliable source--I don't accept anything, rightwing or leftwing, that is pulled off some hate blog--then by all means post the link.

Until you can do that, you've got nothing.

I am not intending to be an apologist for Glenn Beck. He is certainly capable of speaking for himself and defending himself. And every time the Left has tried to destroy him, they've come up pretty much with egg on their face because they just can't make themselves look credible in the face of the truth.

But if we're going to restore honor to America, one of several things that has to be done is to start calling the hate mongerers on their hate. If they slur and smear somebody in an effort to destroy them, we have to start calling them on it. Make them put up or shut up. Restoring intellectual honesty and calling true prejudice and bigotry what it is would be a huge step forward in restoring honor and integrity to the system.

 

[Modbert]

I am not intending to be an apologist for Glenn Beck.

Except, you are.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf33g9ep4YU]YouTube - Glenn Beck: "I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions"[/ame]

 

[Avatar4321]

I DISLIKE ALL (there goes that superlative again) opportunists whose actions have consequences which are likely to cause harm. I dislike people, generally, who use populists rhetoric for personal gain when the consequences of divisive rhetoric are likely to cause harm to others.
Yep, that makes me a bleeding heart liberal in the (small) minds of the contemporary conservative. Yet, my values were formed by the teaching of Catholic Nuns who used the words of Jesus (of course all of this occured before I realized the Catholic relgion, as are ALL [there he goes again] religions, are little more than self-serving quasi-political organizations.
I don't hate Beck, I simply believe he's a piece of shit. Shit defined as something I don't want in the punch bowl at a party I attend.

Not healthy to hate yourself.

You really are clever. The idiotgram seems to be the highest form of contemporary conservative thought.

You shouldnt project your flawes onto others then. That really isnt healthy either.