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That sounds like a convenient excuse not to think out your arguments and actually support them.
Not if you want to believe the truth. If you want to believe the truth, then you need to dilligently seek out and find the truth.
Alright. Seems rather random and not at all on topic, but alright. I could feel, detect, or understand just about anything. There isn't one thing to understand.
BTW how does a micro consciousness different from a regular consciousness? Is there a macro conciousness too? And how is that different than the others.
How many times do you think it's been "rewritten"? And how are you defining rewritten here. are you defining it as translated? Transcribed? Copied? Because it sounds like you are suggesting that it's been completely changes each time. Which I dont think is necessarily the case. And that's not taking into effect that some concepts can be explained differently to mean the same thing.
And truth doesn't change dependent on when, where or what gender the writer is. Why on earth would the wisdom of the universe be discounted simply because someone understood it years ago? You realize our entire civilization is built upon the knowledge of our forefathers. We benefited because they learned, experimented and wrote down what they found so we can learn it faster. And yet you advocate ignoring this knowledge, why exactly?
Oh and there are scriptures from regions outside the middle east. Europe, India, China, America for example.
As I mentioned before, you would detect lots of things. Of course, I doubt you'd get much reading done in your scenario. You don't get much out of a book outside in the dark of night. Reading is much better done in the light, especially with the Holy Spirit to teach you what the passages mean and through personal application after you have studied it.
On what basis do you draw this conclusion? Couldn't the mere fact that humans can tell right from wrong tell them that logically there is a difference between humans and other plants and animals? Couldn't any aspect of human behavior which seriously divulges from any other life form tell them that?
And that's just with logic, what about with the knowledge God revealed to them from heaven?
You must live a very simplistic world, because I can do much more than simply express gratitude for life and beauty all around me.
Which is relevant because?
How about you crack a book and actually read the scriptures i profess my belief in before you reach such erroneous conclusions about what i want to believe and what I do believe? A little knowledge is not a bad things. Making assumptions is.
You don't even know what Atonement of Christ is meant to save us from, yet you think you can pass a judgment on the truthfulness of the theology? How is that logical.
Based on what exactly? Why the heck do you think God is limited to what you say He can or cannot do? And btw, you're wrong. I know because I have experienced the Divine. I know by the power of the Holy Ghost that there is a God. That Jesus is the Christ and that the scriptures are true. He revealed it to me through His grace after I sought to know for myself. He will be more than willing to reveal the same to you if you exercise faith that you can obtain such a blessing and humble yourself in study and prayer. Seek Him sincerely and you will find Him.
I pray to the Father in the name of the Son as He has taught me all the time.
Serendipity? Prayer has a much more mighty effect if it's dont in faith and sincerity. The prayer of a humble man can invite the Grace of God into His life. A prayer could be the first step to being born again of the Spirit. It can change his life. A prayer can give Him knowledge from God that He didn't previously know. It can heal His body physically. It can eliminate cravings for addictions. It can fill one with joy and love that are simply inexplicable. It can give wisdom, patience, and help one learn mysteries.
Again, I don't see the wisdom in spurning the wisdom of ages. I don't see wisdom in discounting the testimonies of those who have first hand experiences with God, nor not learning how to have our own experiences with God through them.
Your joy is limited. Because the scriptures and the Church teach the principles of happiness. A fulness of happiness cannot come without obedience to the rules that bring such. Namely virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God. And we can't expect to keep the commandments if we don't know them. And we cant hope to know them unless we keep the ones we already know.
That is why the scriptures are so vital. They teach us God's word throughout History. They teach us how to reach out to the Father and learn for ourselves. They teach us to exercise faith in Jesus Christ, to repent of our mistakes/sins, to make a covenant with God to follow Him, to stand as a witness of Him, and to keep His commandments through Baptism, and to recieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost that we can be taught all things. Without a written record, we could not have preserved the truth as we have.
Our forefathers went through amazing efforts to give us their testimonies and the laws God revealed to them. They have provided us with their mistakes as well. And that knowledge doesn't profit us in the least if we don't study their testimonies.
You're quite free to believe whatever you wish of course ..
As are you, I was never under the impression that it was otherwise.
And yet, you attempt to. If you don't want to belittle my beliefs or anyone elses, why not cease doing so.
And yet, only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is our Father. Only He gave His life to give us Immortality. Only He seeks our continual well being.
Stand on your own two feet as a creature containing a spark of the divine - you are allowed to speak to the gods and goddesses as part of the family. For myself, I'd make my words good and positive - I'm not going to tempt Zeus
Here's Demeter; Earth Mother archetype. Goddess where birthing or small children are involved.
If you want people to stand on their own two feet, why did you write anything you just did? That makes no sense. Your whole attitude in this thread is to tell people how they are wrong and brainwashed. If you are fine with them standing on their own, why say anything?
And if you have truly been touched by the Spirit of God, how can you be silent? I share the Gospel because I want others to be happy. There is so much evil and sorrow in the world when there doesn't have to be. Marriages crumble and children are in pain when they could have joy. Why be silent? Why not encourage change or repentence? Happiness is in the grasp of all of us.
