Italy Seeks to Use Forces to Halt Illegal Immigrants From Tunisia

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ROME — Italy’s interior minister said Sunday that the country hoped to send its armed forces to Tunisia to help stem the flow of illegal immigrants, after more than 3,000 Tunisians arrived by boat on an Italian island in recent days.

“I will ask Tunisia’s foreign minister for authorization for our forces to intervene in Tunisia to block the influx,” Interior Minister Roberto Maroni said in an Italian television interview on Sunday, a day after the Italian cabinet declared a state of humanitarian emergency and called for help from the European Union.

With thousands of miles of hard-to-patrol coastline, Italy faced waves of immigrants from North Africa throughout the 1990s and into the last decade. Under the government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, in 2009, Italy signed a renewed bilateral accord with Tunisia, pledging financial support in exchange for help in preventing would-be immigrants from leaving the country’s shores.

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For decades, the United States has given aid to Mexico and in return the Mexican government was to take responsibility for keeping the Mexican people and illegal drugs out of the US.

They have done neither.

They have not lived up to their word, therefore they should return the aid given them and the illegal invaders from Mexico should be thrown out of the United States and Mexico should be presented with the bill for their stay here.
 
If you're looking for a perfect example of a "super patriotic american clown and his insane obsession to blame Mexico" look no further than this guy.

His posts are so delusional that there's little doubt in my mind he's a hardened veteran of Bellevue and a dozen other madhouses.
 
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If you're looking for a perfect example of a "super patriotic american clown and his insane obsession to blame Mexico" look no further than this guy.

His posts are so delusional that there's little doubt in my mind he's a hardened veteran of Bellevue and a dozen other madhouses.

The truth will set Americans free! :eusa_pray:
 
Dey gettin' outta Dodge...
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Tunisians vote with their feet, flee the country
Feb 14,`11 -- A month after massive protests ousted Tunisia's longtime dictator, waves of Tunisians are voting with their feet, fleeing the country's political limbo by climbing into rickety boats and sailing across the Mediterranean to Europe.
More than 5,000 illegal immigrants have recently washed up on Italy's southern islands - an unintended consequence of the "people's revolution" that ousted autocrat Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and inspired the uprisings in Egypt and beyond. European powers cheered when Tunisia's 74-year-old ruler fled into exile in Saudi Arabia on Jan. 14, but the fallout a month later has tempered their enthusiasm. It has also exposed a dilemma for western countries that allied with repressive leaders in North Africa seen as bulwarks against extremism, and now must build new diplomatic relationships in a still-uncertain political climate.

On Monday, the European Union announced a euro258 million ($347 million) aid package to Tunisia from now until 2013, with euro17 million ($22.9 million) of that to be delivered immediately. EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, visiting Tunisia, said the funds were a gift, not a loan. Meanwhile, Tunisia sternly rejected Italy's offer to send police there to help tackle waves of illegal migrants fleeing political upheaval, most landing on the tiny Italian island of Lampedusa - an arid one-town island of 6,000 people.

Lampedusa's Mayor Bernardino Rubeis told AP Television News that the island's detention center for migrants had to leave its doors open since there were not enough police to guard it. Rubeis said the migrants were milling about, some buying food in shops and not causing any problems. "I want to change my life," said one Tunisian who wore a T-shirt from Italy's AS Roma football team and who declined to give his name, citing his difficult situation. "We came here because now it's not safe and there are no jobs in Tunisia."

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Tunisia battles to stop exodus
Tue, Feb 15, 2011 - FLEEING POVERTY:About 5,000 migrants have arrived in Lampedusa, Italy, over the last week and Italy has called for an urgent EU meeting to work out a response
As Tunisia yesterday marked a month since the ousting of former Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the interim government battled European pressure to curb an exodus of migrants and a key minister quit. Tunisian foreign minister Ahmed Ounaies resigned on Sunday in a blow to the new authority a day before a visit by EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton that is focusing on democratic reforms since the removal of the strongman leader in a popular uprising.

The interim government, meanwhile, rushed security forces to coastal areas to stop a Europe-bound exodus of people fleeing poverty, a government source said, with thousands of immigrants flooding to Italy in recent days. Maritime security “have arrested many people trying to cross the borders. Reinforcements have been sent,” the official said on grounds of anonymity, refusing to disclose further details.

Immigration was likely a top issue in talks between Tunisian Prime Minister Mohamed Ghannouchi and Ashton yesterday, after Italy appealed for urgent EU aid to halt a wave of North African immigrants. About 5,000 undocumented migrants, many of them Tunisians, have arrived on Lampedusa over the last week. Struggling local authorities called for more support on Sunday to help handle the increasing stream of migrants into the Sicilian island, which is closer to Africa than mainland Italy.

The situation has alarmed Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s government, which proclaimed a humanitarian emergency following a meeting on Saturday, giving authorities extraordinary powers setting aside normal bureaucracy to control migrant flows, in part by blocking incoming boats offshore. Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini on Sunday repeated calls to the EU for help after one boat sank off Tunisia’s coast on Saturday, with at least one migrant reported dead.

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Mass drowning a nightmarish situation...
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Screams as migrants drown in boat disaster
Sat, Oct 05, 2013 - CRIES FOR HELP: Residents of Lampedusa, Italy, had helped survivors of many shipwrecks, but were still overwhelmed by the scale of the latest human tragedy
Residents on the tiny Italian island of Lampedusa fought back tears as they spoke of the desperate rush to haul dozens of drowning immigrants out of the sea as hundreds around them sank into the black waters. “We were spending the night on our boat. We heard screams, and we rushed to see what was going on and found a nightmarish situation,” said Alessandro Marino, a shopkeeper on Lampedusa. “There were between 150 and 200 people in the water. We managed to save 47 of them. Any more and we risked sinking too,” he said.

Marino and his friend Sharanna Buonocorso were the first on the scene after a boat with up to 500 African asylum seekers caught fire and sank just a few hundred meters off shore in the worst recent refugee disaster in the Mediterranean. “Many of them were crying. Lots were naked, to give themselves the best chance of staying afloat,” an exhausted-looking Buonocorso said, gazing out over the port where rescuer workers had laid the first victims out in black body bags. “Many helped pull others from the water; those who couldn’t climb aboard by themselves because they had no strength left,” she said, describing how the cries for help grew weaker as the minutes passed.

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Rescue workers recover a dead body from a boat at the port of Lampedusa, Italy, on Thursday. A boat packed with African migrants caught fire and sank off the southern Italian island

About 150 survivors were rescued, and more than 130 corpses found.
Those rescued said people on board had set fire to a blanket to attract the attention of coast guards after the boat began taking on water, and when the flames spread, panicked passengers rushed to one side of the vessel, flipping it over. Dozens of people were trapped inside as it rolled over and sank and after a day’s frantic search, officials said they doubted anyone else would be found alive. The blue-and-white flashing lights of coast guard boats could be seen through the darkness as rescue workers continued to trawl the sea where the boat sank, and more divers were being flown in to begin a fresh search of the sunken vessel at dawn.

Local doctor Pietro Bartolo said he had been treating arriving immigrants on Lampedusa since 1991 and had helped survivors of many shipwrecks, but had “never seen such a human tragedy on this scale.” “The hardest thing was seeing the bodies of the children. They had no chance. They came here in hope of a future which was snatched from them in a moment. It doesn’t take long to succumb to the waves and the cold,” he said. Preparations were under way to receive hundreds of coffins being shipped in from the mainland, and Red Cross workers moved back and forth from the port to the airport, where bodies were laid out in a temporary morgue.

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MIGRANTS USED EMPTY WATER BOTTLES TO STAY AFLOAT
Oct 4,`13 -- Survivors of a fiery shipwreck that killed more than 100 African migrants clung to empty water bottles to keep themselves from drowning and were coated in gasoline, an Italian fisherman said Friday.
Lampedusa resident Vito Fiorino said he was the first to come across dozens of migrants scattered in the Mediterranean Sea while he was on an early morning fishing expedition. Some didn't have the strength to grab the lifesaver thrown to them and told him they had been fighting to stay alive for three hours. "It was a scene from a film, something you hope never to see in life," he told The Associated Press. Fiorino said he alerted the Italian coast guard and other boats when he came upon desperate migrants just before 7 a.m. Thursday. He and his friends lifted 47 people up onto his 10-meter (32-foot) boat.

Lampedusa, a tiny island 70 miles (113 kilometers) off Tunisia and closer to Africa than the Italian mainland, has been at the center of wave after wave of illegal immigration. On Friday, Italian coast guard boats carrying divers headed out from Lampedusa to search for more bodies, but choppy waters hampered their efforts. The scope of the tragedy at Lampedusa - with 111 bodies recovered so far, 155 people rescued and up to an estimated 250 still missing, according to officials - has prompted outpourings of grief. Italian officials demanded a comprehensive European Union immigration policy to deal with the tens of thousands of migrants fleeing poverty and strife in Africa and the Middle East.

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A Coast Guard boat leaves the harbor of the island of Lampedusa, southern Italy, Friday, Oct. 4, 2013. A ship carrying African migrants towards Italy capsized off the Sicilian island of Lampedusa Thursday, spilling hundreds of passengers into the sea, officials said. Authorities resumed Friday their search for bodies in the migrant shipwreck, in which officials say just 155 people survived of the 450 to 500 believed to have been on board.

Pope Francis called Friday a "day of tears," denouncing the "savage" system that he said drives people to leave their homes for a better life, yet doesn't care when they die in the process. The 66-foot (20-meter) smuggler's boat was carrying migrants from Eritrea, Ghana and Somalia when it caught fire early Thursday near the Lampedusa port, authorities said. The fire panicked those on board the rickety boat. They stampeded to one side, flipping it over, and hundreds of men, women and children, many of whom could not swim, were flung into the sea. "The migrants told us there were about 500 of them," Veronica Lentini, a field officer for the International Organization for Migration, told reporters. "The boat capsized and they fell in the water, but many of them were trapped inside the boat."

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Italy should stop all rescue efforts and begin summary deportations. The more the Italians help, the more immigrants they will get and the worse the problem will become.
 
Deport illegal aliens? Of course. Not try to rescue human beings in distress? Fuck you, crazy bitch.
 
ROME — Italy’s interior minister said Sunday that the country hoped to send its armed forces to Tunisia to help stem the flow of illegal immigrants, after more than 3,000 Tunisians arrived by boat on an Italian island in recent days.

“I will ask Tunisia’s foreign minister for authorization for our forces to intervene in Tunisia to block the influx,” Interior Minister Roberto Maroni said in an Italian television interview on Sunday, a day after the Italian cabinet declared a state of humanitarian emergency and called for help from the European Union.

With thousands of miles of hard-to-patrol coastline, Italy faced waves of immigrants from North Africa throughout the 1990s and into the last decade. Under the government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, in 2009, Italy signed a renewed bilateral accord with Tunisia, pledging financial support in exchange for help in preventing would-be immigrants from leaving the country’s shores.

Read more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/europe/14boats.html?_r=1&hpw

For decades, the United States has given aid to Mexico and in return the Mexican government was to take responsibility for keeping the Mexican people and illegal drugs out of the US.

They have done neither.

They have not lived up to their word, therefore they should return the aid given them and the illegal invaders from Mexico should be thrown out of the United States and Mexico should be presented with the bill for their stay here.

Exactly!
That is only fair.
 
Italy should stop all rescue efforts and begin summary deportations. The more the Italians help, the more immigrants they will get and the worse the problem will become.

Can't leave people in the sea to drown.

If Italy doesn't stop the people-smuggling boats/illegal immigrants from pouring in, soon Italy will be overrun by millions of Africans etc, turn into 'Africa' etc, and no longer resemble 'Italy' and Italian culture.

The whole of Africa, Asia, the Middle East simply cannot be allowed to takeover the 'Christian' West.

Look at what's already happening elsewhere in Europe.
 
Italy should stop all rescue efforts and begin summary deportations. The more the Italians help, the more immigrants they will get and the worse the problem will become.

Can't leave people in the sea to drown.

If Italy doesn't stop the people-smuggling boats/illegal immigrants from pouring in, soon Italy will be overrun by millions of Africans etc, turn into 'Africa' etc, and no longer resemble 'Italy' and Italian culture.

The whole of Africa, Asia, the Middle East simply cannot be allowed to takeover the 'Christian' West.

Look at what's already happening elsewhere in Europe.

If they don't leave some people in the sea to drown, there will be millions coming and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people will drown. Turn the ships back, or leave them be. Helping simply encourages more illegals to come. Take the ones who make it to land back, immediately without hearing, without any further action. Load them up and take them back.

Helping in this case isn't helping, it's actually making things much worse.
 
Italy should stop all rescue efforts and begin summary deportations. The more the Italians help, the more immigrants they will get and the worse the problem will become.

Can't leave people in the sea to drown.

If Italy doesn't stop the people-smuggling boats/illegal immigrants from pouring in, soon Italy will be overrun by millions of Africans etc, turn into 'Africa' etc, and no longer resemble 'Italy' and Italian culture.

The whole of Africa, Asia, the Middle East simply cannot be allowed to takeover the 'Christian' West.

Look at what's already happening elsewhere in Europe.

If they don't leave some people in the sea to drown...



Thank goodness you are an irrelevant nobody who cannot harm others with your reprehensible immorality.
 
Italy should stop all rescue efforts and begin summary deportations. The more the Italians help, the more immigrants they will get and the worse the problem will become.

Can't leave people in the sea to drown.

If Italy doesn't stop the people-smuggling boats/illegal immigrants from pouring in, soon Italy will be overrun by millions of Africans etc, turn into 'Africa' etc, and no longer resemble 'Italy' and Italian culture.

The whole of Africa, Asia, the Middle East simply cannot be allowed to takeover the 'Christian' West.

Look at what's already happening elsewhere in Europe.

If they don't leave some people in the sea to drown, there will be millions coming and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people will drown. Turn the ships back, or leave them be. Helping simply encourages more illegals to come. Take the ones who make it to land back, immediately without hearing, without any further action. Load them up and take them back.

Helping in this case isn't helping, it's actually making things much worse.


It's more than likely that none of the drowning Africans will never become another Adolf Hitler, so there's no need to kill them.

The soldier who had Adolf Hitler in his sights in WW1 but did not shoot | War History Online

Private Henry Tandey saw that Adolf Hitler was wounded, but he did not lift his rifle to defend himself so chose not to shoot.


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As Hitler and Nazi Germany could have easily have been prevented from rising from the ashes of defeated Germany after WW1, so illegal immigration to Italy can just as easily be prevented.
It's not necessary to 'shoot' drowning people, there are other ways.
 
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No one suggested shooting them. Leave them be.

Wasn't Tunisia the birthplace of the Arab Spring? It was supposed to be wonderful once the leadership was replaced. It isn't. Swamping Italy with immigrants isn't helping. Italians aren't Americans. Italians have no problem at all with entire villages rising up to take care of immigrant problems. The way to stop the immigration influx is to stop helping the immigrants achieve their goals. Stop rescuing them. They take to the sea in overloaded leaky tubs with the idea that they will be rescued. Take the very possibility of rescue away. See how many there are then.
 
No one suggested shooting them. Leave them be.

Wasn't Tunisia the birthplace of the Arab Spring? It was supposed to be wonderful once the leadership was replaced. It isn't. Swamping Italy with immigrants isn't helping. Italians aren't Americans. Italians have no problem at all with entire villages rising up to take care of immigrant problems. The way to stop the immigration influx is to stop helping the immigrants achieve their goals. Stop rescuing them. They take to the sea in overloaded leaky tubs with the idea that they will be rescued. Take the very possibility of rescue away. See how many there are then.

Watching them drown is the same as shooting them.
 
No one suggested shooting them. Leave them be.

Wasn't Tunisia the birthplace of the Arab Spring? It was supposed to be wonderful once the leadership was replaced. It isn't. Swamping Italy with immigrants isn't helping. Italians aren't Americans. Italians have no problem at all with entire villages rising up to take care of immigrant problems. The way to stop the immigration influx is to stop helping the immigrants achieve their goals. Stop rescuing them. They take to the sea in overloaded leaky tubs with the idea that they will be rescued. Take the very possibility of rescue away. See how many there are then.

Watching them drown is the same as shooting them.
The difference is, they would drown if no one was watching. They wouldn't be shot if no one was there.

It is cruel. No doubt about it. It is more cruel to lure people into the open sea with the hope of possible rescue. If these people knew that under no circumstances would they be rescued would they still overload those boats? When the rescues started it was 20 people, then 50. Being rescued eccouraged more boats to the point where the rescue boats themselves have to leave people to drown. How cruel is that?

These countries cannot really be emptied of their populations. The continent of Africa cannot be depopulated and its people settled in Italy or even the whole of Europe.

The only other thing that could be done is admit that the plan for African independence has been a failure. It has returned to the savage then forcibly repacify the place so people can go home and not try to leave.
 
No one suggested shooting them. Leave them be.

Wasn't Tunisia the birthplace of the Arab Spring? It was supposed to be wonderful once the leadership was replaced. It isn't. Swamping Italy with immigrants isn't helping. Italians aren't Americans. Italians have no problem at all with entire villages rising up to take care of immigrant problems. The way to stop the immigration influx is to stop helping the immigrants achieve their goals. Stop rescuing them. They take to the sea in overloaded leaky tubs with the idea that they will be rescued. Take the very possibility of rescue away. See how many there are then.



You really are an immoral piece of shit. I imagine it is a condition exacerbated by your deep and abiding stupidity.
 
No one suggested shooting them. Leave them be.

Wasn't Tunisia the birthplace of the Arab Spring? It was supposed to be wonderful once the leadership was replaced. It isn't. Swamping Italy with immigrants isn't helping. Italians aren't Americans. Italians have no problem at all with entire villages rising up to take care of immigrant problems. The way to stop the immigration influx is to stop helping the immigrants achieve their goals. Stop rescuing them. They take to the sea in overloaded leaky tubs with the idea that they will be rescued. Take the very possibility of rescue away. See how many there are then.



You really are an immoral piece of shit. I imagine it is a condition exacerbated by your deep and abiding stupidity.

Regarding the recent sinking in the Mediterranean, it's interesting that no-one here knows that the stupid refugees SET THEIR OWN BOAT ON FIRE because they were only a mile from the Italian shore and were trying to alert the authorities to their presence, despite the fact that the vast majority couldn't swim. Nor does anyone seem to know that since Nato's intervention to overthrow Khadaffi, a previously impossible industry has sprung up in the relatively wealthy Libya providing fibre glass boats by the hundreds to ferry these fools across the Med - many of the boats so new that the resin hasn't even set.

(An enlightening series of interviews on the BBC revealed how naive some of these people are - many think the Med is no more than 10 foot deep; others thought that a few hours after boarding they would be rowing up the Thames into London. A rescued man recounted a story of how when their boat was taking on water they tried to throw everything heavy overboard, one of the 1st items being a strange clock with only 4 symbols on it - i.e. the boat's compass.)

Sorry Unkotare, but immoral or not, this madness can't continue, and I'm glad to hear that the Italians, and now other countries in Europe are making these peoples' stay as unpleasant as possible. Remember that refugees are meant to seek asylum in the 1st safe country they reach? That means Somalis to Kenya or Ethiopia and Syrians to Turkey or Jordan, and Eritreans have no reason to seeking asylum anywhere.

Hmmmm.... On the other hand, I might try my luck applying for asylum in the Faroe islands or Iceland because my human rights are being infringed as I have to listen to the racket of the muezzin call to prayer 5 times a day from the mosque over the road.
 
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