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    The italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena, is free now.
    And today she lands on the Italian soil.

    But....


    Yesterday, the convoy with Giuliana and the italian secert service members were the poor casualties of the US army's shoots : the convoy was stopped by a US check point, but the US soldiers opened the fire on the convoy.
    Giuliana Sgrena was wounded, she got a bullet in the lung.
    But the saddest is that an Italian was killed by the US soldiers.
    Nicola Capilari was the CHIEF of the italian secret services ni Iraq. He had free before Giuliana Sgrena other Italian Hostages.
    And yesterday, when he saw that the US soldiers shot on the italian convoy, he lie down Giuliana, to protect her from the US shoots. This heroism csot to him his life, he 's dead to save the life of the hostage.

    Good job, US soldiers, after the US soldiers and the Brits, now they kill Italian heroes....
     
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    PE you left a little bit out:

    http://english.people.com.cn/200503/05/eng20050305_175687.html

     
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    hey retard, they responded to a speeding car towards their check point as they were trained. now they are supposed to wait to see whose speeding up on them before they shoot? bullshit.
     
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    Padisha , God wasted a good arsehole when he placed teeth in your mouth.
     
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    Padisha deliberately leaves out information to make it seem like the Americans were at fault for protecting themselves from an unknown car speeding toward one of their checkpoints. Apparently, Padisha would prefer that Americans die in suicide car bomb attacks after letting unknown speeding cars rush up to them. Padisha, you are despicable for citing the shooting out of context.
     
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    Now,now. Padisha is just using this to ridicule the BRAVE men that are keeping OUR world safe. Wonder what he would do in the same situation? Probably throw his hands in the air and run for his life. They are good at that-aren't they?

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    The French said goodbye to bravery when the first German tanks broke through the Ardennes Forest in WWII. The French seem consigned to shooting unarmed civilians in the Ivory Coast.
     
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    I've just read an article this morning that quotes Giuliana Sgrena as saying the vehicule was going at a normal speed. Who knows. One thing I don't understand...if they had been told that this convoy was on it's way...if they really thought this could be an attack, instead of shooting at the car why not just shoot at the tires or even say the engine...why shoot the hell out of the car and whoever is inside?
    I found this:
    http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/low/world/europe/4323361.stm
    Sunday, 6 March, 2005, 15:02 GMT
    Hostage fears troops targeted her
    Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has suggested US troops deliberately tried to kill her moments after she was released by her kidnappers in Baghdad.
    Ms Sgrena, writing in her left-wing newspaper Il Manifesto, described how her car came "under a rain of fire".

    At that moment, she said she recalled her captors' words that some Americans "don't want you to go back".

    The US military, who said troops fired on the speeding car after it failed to stop, has opened a full investigation.

    A top Italian secret service agent, Nicola Calipari, died in the incident as he shielded Ms Sgrena from the gunshots.

    He had led the efforts to negotiate the release of the correspondent, held captive in Iraq for more than a month.


    "Everyone knows that the Americans do not like negotiations to free hostages, and because of this I don't see why I should exclude the possibility of me having been the target"
    Giuliana Sgrena
    Ex-hostage



    The body of Mr Calipari, who is being treated as a national hero, is lying in state in an imposing monument in the centre of Rome before a state funeral on Monday.

    The incident in Baghdad threatens to have continuing political fallout in Rome, says our correspondent there David Willey.

    Pressure will grow on Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a staunch ally of US President George W Bush, to reconsider the wisdom of keeping on Italian peacekeepers in Iraq, our correspondent says.

    Already, the Italian foreign ministry has warned all Italian nationals to avoid travel to Iraq.

    Sgrena's account

    Details remain unclear about exactly what happened as the car carrying the Italian journalist, Calipari and two other agents made its journey towards Baghdad's airport late on Friday.

    The US military says that the car was speeding as it approached a checkpoint and that soldiers used hand signals, flashed lights, and fired warning shots in an attempt to stop it, before opening fire.


    DIFFERING ACCOUNTS


    US: Forces fired on a vehicle that was approaching at high speed
    Troops attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots
    When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Sgrena: The driver had spoken twice to the embassy and to Italy that we were on our way to the airport
    We were less than a kilometre [from the airport]... when... I remember there was shooting
    The driver began screaming that we were Italian
    We weren't going particularly fast given that type of situation
    In pictures: Joy and dismay


    Italian press reaction



    In her account for Il Manifesto, Ms Sgrena said the kidnappers had released her willingly.

    When she got in the car, Calipari took off her blindfold and was "an avalanche of friendly phrases, jokes".

    "Nicola Calipari was seated at my side. The driver had spoken twice to the embassy and to Italy that we were on our way to the airport that I knew was saturated with American troops. We were less than a kilometre they told me... when... I remember there was shooting.

    "The driver began screaming that we were Italian, 'We're Italian! We're Italian!'"

    Ms Sgrena has said the car was not going particularly fast.

    Upon her release, she said, "They [the kidnappers] said they were committed to releasing me, but that I had to be careful 'because there are Americans who don't want you to go back'."

    In another interview with Sky Italia TV, she said it was possible the soldiers had targeted her because Washington opposed the policy of negotiating with kidnappers.



    Calipari: 'Extraordinary hero'



    "Everyone knows that the Americans do not like negotiations to free hostages, and because of this I don't see why I should exclude the possibility of me having been the target," she said.

    She said she did not know if a ransom was paid for her release - a policy the US does not approve either.

    Ms Sgrena was abducted on 4 February, and later appeared in a video begging for help and urging foreign troops to leave Iraq.

    Much of the country was opposed to the US-led war in Iraq and the government's decision to send 3,000 Italian troops to Iraq.
     
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    I started a thread simliar to this in War On Terror. Her accusations and insinuations are ridiculous,but not surprising coming form a far lefty.
     

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