It Is Heartbreaking What Democrats Are Doing On Healthcare!

[traveler52]

Yeah, just think if we allowed Forty Thousand (40,000) Americans die, just think of the savings, which is the Repug plan as it stands right now.

 

[Truthmatters]

Go read the CBOs scoring of the bill you clowns.

Man am I sick of all the lies from the right

 

[Harry Dresden]

Go read the CBOs scoring of the bill you clowns.

Man am I sick of all the lies from the right

because to you "Truth Matters" ....right?....what a joke...

 

[SFC Ollie]

OK, Ollie, I will go along with you that we can't compare our situation to Canada (or, by extension, to any other national health care program). Thus, we can't consider their bad as well as their good. However, if we consider the bad to the good here in the US on health care, buddy, something has to be done, and OUR GOP SIDE did not do it. Got a problem with it?

I believe that everyone can agree that some health care reform is needed. There are ways to make health care more affordable. And this Bill that you seem to be backing does not do the job. If it did so many might not be against it. Fact is it doesn't lower health care costs one bit. And it forces some people to pay for something they do not want. Amoung many other problems.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Go read the CBOs scoring of the bill you clowns.

Man am I sick of all the lies from the right

I really could care less what the CBO says. 10 years of taxes for 6 years of the program...

That is not hard to figure out that something is wrong.

What do they do the second 10 years?

 

[Chris]

The real tragedy and heartbreak over the Democrats effort to ram their Healthcare bill into law is not that it is foolishly costly, will blow a giant hole in the Federal budget, jack up bigtime the cost of insurance purchased on the individual market and with the community health insurance option put America on an unescapable trajectory to a single payer government run health insurance system that the American people will hate and it will do all of these things the real tragedy is that the Democrat leadership is blowing priceless leverage in negotiating a bi-partisan healthcare bill that would pass into law and be a dramatic improvement over the present system and would make them look great with the American electorate. On this reconciliation option no human being knows whether the Democrats will succeed or not but what many American human beings know is that they could have used the threat of this option to get a health care bill that would have expanded insurance coverage to ten to fifteen million Americans, stopped insurance company abuses and made dramatic steps in holding down and stabilizing health insurance costs and wouldn't be economically unfair and dangerous.



If the Democrats win in this healthcare crap shoot they will be real happy for a short time that is until America gets into the thick of the election season and Democrats have to defend this terrible legislation. But if the Democrats lose in this crap shoot you can bank on the Republicans saying forget it to any healthcare reform bill this year you liberals are gettin a butt-kickin in November and we'll see you in committee meetings in 2011 and the Democrats will then have to be super lucky to get any bill that provides government financial assistance to lower and middle class Americans that do and will desperately need financial help to buy health insurance no matter if the Democrats and Republicans get their wish list passed into law on cutting health insurance costs. So pursue your arrogance you Democrats and I think many Americans hope you are oustandingly haunted for many years by this gamble your taking which is a gamble of many millions of Americans lives when it comes to relief on health care for them!

Horseshit.

Healthcare accounts for 16% of our GDP and if something isn't done, it will go higher.

Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

 

[elvis]

The real tragedy and heartbreak over the Democrats effort to ram their Healthcare bill into law is not that it is foolishly costly, will blow a giant hole in the Federal budget, jack up bigtime the cost of insurance purchased on the individual market and with the community health insurance option put America on an unescapable trajectory to a single payer government run health insurance system that the American people will hate and it will do all of these things the real tragedy is that the Democrat leadership is blowing priceless leverage in negotiating a bi-partisan healthcare bill that would pass into law and be a dramatic improvement over the present system and would make them look great with the American electorate. On this reconciliation option no human being knows whether the Democrats will succeed or not but what many American human beings know is that they could have used the threat of this option to get a health care bill that would have expanded insurance coverage to ten to fifteen million Americans, stopped insurance company abuses and made dramatic steps in holding down and stabilizing health insurance costs and wouldn't be economically unfair and dangerous.



If the Democrats win in this healthcare crap shoot they will be real happy for a short time that is until America gets into the thick of the election season and Democrats have to defend this terrible legislation. But if the Democrats lose in this crap shoot you can bank on the Republicans saying forget it to any healthcare reform bill this year you liberals are gettin a butt-kickin in November and we'll see you in committee meetings in 2011 and the Democrats will then have to be super lucky to get any bill that provides government financial assistance to lower and middle class Americans that do and will desperately need financial help to buy health insurance no matter if the Democrats and Republicans get their wish list passed into law on cutting health insurance costs. So pursue your arrogance you Democrats and I think many Americans hope you are oustandingly haunted for many years by this gamble your taking which is a gamble of many millions of Americans lives when it comes to relief on health care for them!

Horseshit.

Healthcare accounts for 16% of our GDP and if something isn't done, it will go higher.

Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

 

[Gatekeeper]

There are plenty of examples of health care systems that DO NOT WORK WELL. Lay out the plans THEY use, and do the opposite......

One the serious side the those with socialized medicine tax the crap out of you. In France for example we have a few friends there some had health issues, one in particular had a mass in his neck and it took 45 days to get an appointment and another 30 days to get a biopsy and 30 days to get the results! Outrageous! IF, the mass had been malignant.......well you know the rest.

I hope someone comes up with a viable solution to this complex problem without all the 'BullChit', smoke and mirrors, mixed with greed and incompetence. You cannot JAM this massive amount of legislation down the throats of the masses just because you want to put a feather in your hat...........Pelosi, take notice.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Horseshit.

Healthcare accounts for 16% of our GDP and if something isn't done, it will go higher.

Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

Chris wont tell you the negative side....only the positive.....he never responded to the many links showing him how France is having a tough time paying for their system...oh thats right he said the sites are all biased....his sites are not....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's the NeoMarxists last real chance to control the life and death of every American citizen.

No, they won't rest until they either get it done or end it in the bunker listening to Wagner and reading from "The Audacity of Hope"

 

[rightwinger]

The real tragedy and heartbreak over the Democrats effort to ram their Healthcare bill into law is not that it is foolishly costly, will blow a giant hole in the Federal budget, jack up bigtime the cost of insurance purchased on the individual market and with the community health insurance option put America on an unescapable trajectory to a single payer government run health insurance system that the American people will hate and it will do all of these things the real tragedy is that the Democrat leadership is blowing priceless leverage in negotiating a bi-partisan healthcare bill that would pass into law and be a dramatic improvement over the present system and would make them look great with the American electorate. On this reconciliation option no human being knows whether the Democrats will succeed or not but what many American human beings know is that they could have used the threat of this option to get a health care bill that would have expanded insurance coverage to ten to fifteen million Americans, stopped insurance company abuses and made dramatic steps in holding down and stabilizing health insurance costs and wouldn't be economically unfair and dangerous.



If the Democrats win in this healthcare crap shoot they will be real happy for a short time that is until America gets into the thick of the election season and Democrats have to defend this terrible legislation. But if the Democrats lose in this crap shoot you can bank on the Republicans saying forget it to any healthcare reform bill this year you liberals are gettin a butt-kickin in November and we'll see you in committee meetings in 2011 and the Democrats will then have to be super lucky to get any bill that provides government financial assistance to lower and middle class Americans that do and will desperately need financial help to buy health insurance no matter if the Democrats and Republicans get their wish list passed into law on cutting health insurance costs. So pursue your arrogance you Democrats and I think many Americans hope you are oustandingly haunted for many years by this gamble your taking which is a gamble of many millions of Americans lives when it comes to relief on health care for them!

Horseshit.

Healthcare accounts for 16% of our GDP and if something isn't done, it will go higher.

Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Horseshit.

Healthcare accounts for 16% of our GDP and if something isn't done, it will go higher.

Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

To cover 10% of the population? No wonder Socialism always fails, you guys suck at basic math

 

[rightwinger]

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

To cover 10% of the population? No wonder Socialism always fails, you guys suck at basic math

Wrong again Frankie..

Those countries cover 100% of the population. It is only the US that ignores its less fortunate

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

To cover 10% of the population? No wonder Socialism always fails, you guys suck at basic math

Wrong again Frankie..

Those countries cover 100% of the population. It is only the US that ignores its less fortunate

Correct. CA is technically bankrupt because they ignored the less fortunate

 

[Bill Wilkinson]

The only thing that is heartbreaking is th epeople who are dropping dead because they can't afford healthcare.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The only thing that is heartbreaking is th epeople who are dropping dead because they can't afford healthcare.

So why don't we take care of them instead of changing everything?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

so you would get the same coverage?......yea right....

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only thing that is heartbreaking is th epeople who are dropping dead because they can't afford healthcare.

So why don't we take care of them instead of changing everything?

Because our Republican party has not even permitted that. We fought tooth and nail against SS and against Medicare and against Medicaid. If free market forces were going to provide for these groups, this would have happened.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The only thing that is heartbreaking is th epeople who are dropping dead because they can't afford healthcare.

So why don't we take care of them instead of changing everything?

Because our party has not even permitted that.

 

[Chris]

and those countries pay DOUBLE the taxes. why do you insist on leaving that out, you little scumfuck?

Does it matter what pocket the money comes from?

If you pay $3000 a year to an insurance company or pay $2000 to the Government for the same coverage, aren't you still ahead?

To cover 10% of the population? No wonder Socialism always fails, you guys suck at basic math

National health insurance has not failed.

That's why every other industrialized nation uses it.

Our system is the one that is failing badly.