It Figures Obama Blames the GOP for the Health Care Bill on “60 Minutes” (Video)

[The Rabbi]

This is exactly correct and Obama was lying to America last night in his 60 Minutes interview. IF Nancy Pelosi was such a good leader for the Democrats, why did Obama end up having to make shady back room deals with fellow Democrats just to get the watered down Healthcare legislation we got? Obama is in a jam now. He will reach out to Republicans now, and the Republicans have already begun biting his hand. NOTHING will get accomplished over the next two years and that is precisely the way the Republicans want it. That way, the economy will remain in the toilet. Unemployment will remain around 9%. The Republicans can still scare everyone with the Healthcare legislation as they did during the mid-terms and Obama will lose re-election in 2012. Unless Sarah Palin is his opponent....

Nah, you still dont get it. If gov't does nothing then unemployment will fall. If gov't does something it will rise.

"If gov't does nothing then unemployment will fall" so wingnuts want Obama to do something about jobs.

Leftwing nuts, you mean. The Right just wants him to STFU.

 

[sangha]

Nah, you still dont get it. If gov't does nothing then unemployment will fall. If gov't does something it will rise.

"If gov't does nothing then unemployment will fall" so wingnuts want Obama to do something about jobs.

Leftwing nuts, you mean. The Right just wants him to STFU.

Sure you do, wingnut!!

 

[boedicca]

Memo to Obama:

You didn't have a failure to communicate. The voters understand you and your progressive agenda quite well.

 

[Sallow]

What "hole" is he digging? Initially, President Obama and the democrats were trying to do single payer..or a medicare for everyone that was uninsured. The HMOs went nuts..and their Republican proxies in congress started larding the bill with all sorts of provisions. Yes..they turned it into the "counter" proposals to Clinton's bill and resembled very much what Mass. has now.

And they STILL didn't vote for it.

 

[shintao]

Obama is always going to blame somebody else for his shortcomings because he cannot accept that he is less than perfect on any count.

Sounds like Bush, huh? Maybe it is just something presidents do................

 

[Immanuel]

You might find that if government does nothing that the economy will fix itself.

Then again, it might not. Either way, the sitting President will get blamed for it. Bush was fortunate that the economy tanked as he was on his way out. Obama has had to bear the brunt of it.

Hey that's politics. Obama should know that and stop his incessant whining.

Like that will ever happen.

Immie

 

[shintao]

What "hole" is he digging? Initially, President Obama and the democrats were trying to do single payer..or a medicare for everyone that was uninsured. The HMOs went nuts..and their Republican proxies in congress started larding the bill with all sorts of provisions. Yes..they turned it into the "counter" proposals to Clinton's bill and resembled very much what Mass. has now.

And they STILL didn't vote for it.

I basically blame Obama for this. He ran for election 2 years spouting National Health Care. He had time to create a NHC plan and shove it through congress on the first day, just as the WTO was done. He failed Americans and then a spent a billion dollars screwing around with everybody but the American citizens.

It is not that there were not excellant examples in the world on how to set the plan up, or the motive to do so, or the opportunity. I see no excuses.

 

[shintao]

[Yeah, heaven for fucking bid that Big 0 work on the economy and jobs.

Ahh, does Obama create jobs and fix the economy? LOL!!! You are starting to sound like a Liberal.

 

[Sallow]

What "hole" is he digging? Initially, President Obama and the democrats were trying to do single payer..or a medicare for everyone that was uninsured. The HMOs went nuts..and their Republican proxies in congress started larding the bill with all sorts of provisions. Yes..they turned it into the "counter" proposals to Clinton's bill and resembled very much what Mass. has now.

And they STILL didn't vote for it.

I basically blame Obama for this. He ran for election 2 years spouting National Health Care. He had time to create a NHC plan and shove it through congress on the first day, just as the WTO was done. He failed Americans and then a spent a billion dollars screwing around with everybody but the American citizens.

It is not that there were not excellant examples in the world on how to set the plan up, or the motive to do so, or the opportunity. I see no excuses.

Why?

He not only ran on Health Care..he ran on trying to bridge the divide between Democrats and Republicans. I seriously think he didn't know how bad the gulf was..thinking that if both worked together on something as serious as health care..it would strike a new working relationship.

And it still seems as if he hasn't learned.

 

[Vanquish]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

 

[Samson]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

Wow...you give the R's more credit than I would have as an independent.

Maybe I should join the R party............

 

[Sallow]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

Well it seems as if after the Presidential election they had a powerpoint presentation on how to regain power. And it wasn't by doing anything that would help the country. It would be by tearing down the opposition.

And they've been following that plan to the "T".

 

[Vanquish]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

Wow...you give the R's more credit than I would have as an independent.

Maybe I should join the R party............

I give credit where credit is due. They really showed how a strong minority backing itself up can influence hearts and minds...even if a substantial part of the theory or principles behind it (that BO's a socialist and didn't want to work with the other side) were total b.s.

The dems are like that 90 lb guy on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face. Come on! Don't be a panty-waist...read Charles Atlas and defend yourself!

 

[Samson]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

Wow...you give the R's more credit than I would have as an independent.

Maybe I should join the R party............

I give credit where credit is due. They really showed how a strong minority backing itself up can influence hearts and minds...even if a substantial part of the theory or principles behind it (that BO's a socialist and didn't want to work with the other side) were total b.s.

The dems are like that 90 lb guy on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face. Come on! Don't be a panty-waist...read Charles Atlas and defend yourself!

Interestingly, I veiw the R's as the weak sisters because they allowed minority dems to walk all over their effort to reign-in Bawny Fwank's Fanny Mea/Fweddy Mac throughout the '90's.

 

[sangha]

Wow...you give the R's more credit than I would have as an independent.

Maybe I should join the R party............

I give credit where credit is due. They really showed how a strong minority backing itself up can influence hearts and minds...even if a substantial part of the theory or principles behind it (that BO's a socialist and didn't want to work with the other side) were total b.s.

The dems are like that 90 lb guy on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face. Come on! Don't be a panty-waist...read Charles Atlas and defend yourself!

Interestingly, I veiw the R's as the weak sisters because they allowed minority dems to walk all over their effort to reign-in Bawny Fwank's Fanny Mea/Fweddy Mac throughout the '90's.

It was bush* who encouraged the banks to give mortgages to people with bad credit

USATODAY.com - Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership

In the proposal soon to be delivered to Congress, Bush would allow the FHA to guarantee loans for the full purchase price of the home, plus down-payment costs. As a practical matter, the FHA would guarantee mortgages as high as 103% of the value of the underlying property.

Weicher says the change is aimed at potential home buyers whose credit excludes them from the private mortgage market

 

[Samson]

I give credit where credit is due. They really showed how a strong minority backing itself up can influence hearts and minds...even if a substantial part of the theory or principles behind it (that BO's a socialist and didn't want to work with the other side) were total b.s.

The dems are like that 90 lb guy on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face. Come on! Don't be a panty-waist...read Charles Atlas and defend yourself!

Interestingly, I veiw the R's as the weak sisters because they allowed minority dems to walk all over their effort to reign-in Bawny Fwank's Fanny Mea/Fweddy Mac throughout the '90's.

It was bush* who encouraged the banks to give mortgages to people with bad credit

USATODAY.com - Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership

In the proposal soon to be delivered to Congress, Bush would allow the FHA to guarantee loans for the full purchase price of the home, plus down-payment costs. As a practical matter, the FHA would guarantee mortgages as high as 103% of the value of the underlying property.

Weicher says the change is aimed at potential home buyers whose credit excludes them from the private mortgage market

Like I said: I blame R's, which is why the Tea Party is such a great alternative.

 

[Vanquish]

If there was a socially liberal yet not braindead (read as: fine with homosexuals yet in favor of gun rights and could go either way on legalizing pot) yet fiscally conservative (cut back, reduce the debt) and constitutionally sane (stick to the document, but realize there are valid doctrines not contained therein too)...

None of the racist rednecks...none of the racecard players...none of the fingerpointers...none of the shady money movers (campaign finance reform is needed)...I'd love that party.

 

[Bfgrn]

But instead of a new working relationship, the Republicans dug in their heels, vilified the man they were supposed to be working with, fired up the hate-filled rhetoric (communist! socialist! - nevermind that 999 out of 1000 people using those words have no clue what they mean - including the vast majority here on USMB)...and then blamed Obama for responding in kind.

Dead on Vanquish!

What Republicans have been doing since Obama took office is not 'politics', it borders on treason. Democrats opposed Bush and his policies, but they were always a loyal opposition and minority. Which means they put the American people ahead of their party. Republicans made a collective decision to do whatever it takes to destroy Obama and the Democrats even if the country was destroyed with them.

Do we need some Republicans to be the ones to tell us what has happened to the party of Lincoln? How far back do you want to go? Barry Goldwater was very disturbed at where the party had gone before his death, he had planned to co-author a book on the subject with former Nixon aide John Dean. Dean's book, Conservative Without Conscience was the result of numerous conversations he had with Goldwater and Dean has written numerous other books and op-ed pieces on how authoritarians have taken over the party. He said we were very close to fascism during the GW Bush administration. Victor Gold, George H. W. Bush's speechwriter and former Goldwater aide in the '60's wrote a scathing book on the GOP.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers How the Holy Rollers and the Neocons Destroyed the GOP

How about someone more recent, like former GW Bush speechwriter David Frum?

On ABC's Nightline; Frum: "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."

Or the article Frum wrote that got him fired from his position at the right wing think tank, the American Enterprise Institute.

David Frum - Waterloo

March 21st, 2010

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Whether it's McCain being force to take Palin as VP or Frum being fired for revealing the truth; Republicans today must toe the line, parrot the group speak or be ostracized and challenged in primaries by candidates that are willing to goose step to the party by Grover Norquist's 'Club for Growth'

If your ideal model of America is something along the lines of Germany in the late 30's or the Soviet Union in the '50's then today's GOP is perfect for you.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater

 

[Samson]

If there was a socially liberal yet not braindead (read as: fine with homosexuals yet in favor of gun rights and could go either way on legalizing pot) yet fiscally conservative (cut back, reduce the debt) and constitutionally sane (stick to the document, but realize there are valid doctrines not contained therein too)...

None of the racist rednecks...none of the racecard players...none of the fingerpointers...none of the shady money movers (campaign finance reform is needed)...I'd love that party.

Here is the mission statement of the Tea Party Patriots

The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets

.

 

[sangha]

If there was a socially liberal yet not braindead (read as: fine with homosexuals yet in favor of gun rights and could go either way on legalizing pot) yet fiscally conservative (cut back, reduce the debt) and constitutionally sane (stick to the document, but realize there are valid doctrines not contained therein too)...

None of the racist rednecks...none of the racecard players...none of the fingerpointers...none of the shady money movers (campaign finance reform is needed)...I'd love that party.

Here is the mission statement of the Tea Party Patriots

The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets

.

One minute it's "We need tax cuts and spending cuts"

Next, it's "Tax cuts create more tax revenues"

I guess wingnuts think the govt spends less money when it receives more money from tax cuts