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Constitution?..what constitution? We have Obama

There have been many wise warnings that freedom is seldom lost all at once. It is usually eroded away, bit by bit, until it is all gone.
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By Thomas Sowell - August 21, 2012
There are some very serious issues at stake in this year's election -- so many that some people may not be able to see the forest for the trees. Individual issues are the trees, but the forest is the future of America as we have known it.

The America that has flourished for more than two centuries is being quietly but steadily dismantled by the Obama administration, during the process of dealing with particular issues.

For example, the merits or demerits of President Obama's recent executive order, suspending legal liability for young people who are here illegally, presumably as a result of being brought here as children by their parents, can be debated pro and con. But such a debate overlooks the much more fundamental undermining of the whole American system of Constitutional government.

The separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches of government is at the heart of the Constitution of the United States -- and the Constitution is at the heart of freedom for Americans.

No President of the United States is authorized to repeal parts of legislation passed by Congress. He may veto the whole legislation, but then Congress can override his veto if they have enough votes. Nevertheless, every President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed and sustained -- not just the ones he happens to agree with.

If laws passed by the elected representatives of the people can be simply over-ruled unilaterally by whoever is in the White House, then we are no longer a free people, choosing what laws we want to live under.

When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic.

When we confine our debates to the merits or demerits of particular executive orders, we are tacitly accepting arbitrary rule. The Constitution of the United States cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution. But, if we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of particular policies imposed by executive orders, and vote solely on that basis, then we have failed to protect the Constitution -- and ourselves.

Whatever the merits or demerits of the No Child Left Behind Act, it is the law until Congress either repeals it or amends it. But for Barack Obama to unilaterally waive whatever provisions he doesn't like in that law undermines the fundamental nature of American government
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Jroc said: ↑

Constitution?..what constitution? We have Obama

There have been many wise warnings that freedom is seldom lost all at once. It is usually eroded away, bit by bit, until it is all gone.
Click to expand...

By Thomas Sowell - August 21, 2012
There are some very serious issues at stake in this year's election -- so many that some people may not be able to see the forest for the trees. Individual issues are the trees, but the forest is the future of America as we have known it.

The America that has flourished for more than two centuries is being quietly but steadily dismantled by the Obama administration, during the process of dealing with particular issues.

For example, the merits or demerits of President Obama's recent executive order, suspending legal liability for young people who are here illegally, presumably as a result of being brought here as children by their parents, can be debated pro and con. But such a debate overlooks the much more fundamental undermining of the whole American system of Constitutional government.

The separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches of government is at the heart of the Constitution of the United States -- and the Constitution is at the heart of freedom for Americans.

No President of the United States is authorized to repeal parts of legislation passed by Congress. He may veto the whole legislation, but then Congress can override his veto if they have enough votes. Nevertheless, every President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed and sustained -- not just the ones he happens to agree with.

If laws passed by the elected representatives of the people can be simply over-ruled unilaterally by whoever is in the White House, then we are no longer a free people, choosing what laws we want to live under.

When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic.

When we confine our debates to the merits or demerits of particular executive orders, we are tacitly accepting arbitrary rule. The Constitution of the United States cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution. But, if we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of particular policies imposed by executive orders, and vote solely on that basis, then we have failed to protect the Constitution -- and ourselves.

Whatever the merits or demerits of the No Child Left Behind Act, it is the law until Congress either repeals it or amends it. But for Barack Obama to unilaterally waive whatever provisions he doesn't like in that law undermines the fundamental nature of American government
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Nothing has undermined our Constitutional rights more than the Patriot and Military Commission's Act's.

I don't hear the right bitching about repealing them.
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Imperial presidency, rule by executive decree. Obama is a disgrace while our liberties are being taken away little by little the liberals focus on some stupid comments by some congressman
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Jroc said: ↑

Constitution?..what constitution? We have Obama

There have been many wise warnings that freedom is seldom lost all at once. It is usually eroded away, bit by bit, until it is all gone.
Click to expand...

By Thomas Sowell - August 21, 2012
There are some very serious issues at stake in this year's election -- so many that some people may not be able to see the forest for the trees. Individual issues are the trees, but the forest is the future of America as we have known it.

The America that has flourished for more than two centuries is being quietly but steadily dismantled by the Obama administration, during the process of dealing with particular issues.

For example, the merits or demerits of President Obama's recent executive order, suspending legal liability for young people who are here illegally, presumably as a result of being brought here as children by their parents, can be debated pro and con. But such a debate overlooks the much more fundamental undermining of the whole American system of Constitutional government.

The separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches of government is at the heart of the Constitution of the United States -- and the Constitution is at the heart of freedom for Americans.

No President of the United States is authorized to repeal parts of legislation passed by Congress. He may veto the whole legislation, but then Congress can override his veto if they have enough votes. Nevertheless, every President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed and sustained -- not just the ones he happens to agree with.

If laws passed by the elected representatives of the people can be simply over-ruled unilaterally by whoever is in the White House, then we are no longer a free people, choosing what laws we want to live under.

When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic.

When we confine our debates to the merits or demerits of particular executive orders, we are tacitly accepting arbitrary rule. The Constitution of the United States cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution. But, if we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of particular policies imposed by executive orders, and vote solely on that basis, then we have failed to protect the Constitution -- and ourselves.

Whatever the merits or demerits of the No Child Left Behind Act, it is the law until Congress either repeals it or amends it. But for Barack Obama to unilaterally waive whatever provisions he doesn't like in that law undermines the fundamental nature of American government
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"Issues" or America? | RealClearPolitics
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Nothing has undermined our Constitutional rights more than the Patriot and Military Commission's Act's.

I don't hear the right bitching about repealing them.
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Exactly. If you think your freedoms being eroded away started with Obama then you're either a party hack or suffering from short term memory problems.
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Constitution?..what constitution? We have Obama

"Issues" or America? | RealClearPolitics
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Nothing has undermined our Constitutional rights more than the Patriot and Military Commission's Act's.

I don't hear the right bitching about repealing them.
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Exactly. If you think your freedoms being eroded away started with Obama then you're either a party hack or suffering from short term memory problems.
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The point is, its happening and liberals and fake ass Republicans don't give a shit
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I honestly believe if Obama had repealed the Patriot Act his chances of reelection would be much higher.
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Jroc said: ↑

Wacky Quacky said: ↑

loinboy said: ↑

Nothing has undermined our Constitutional rights more than the Patriot and Military Commission's Act's.

I don't hear the right bitching about repealing them.
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Exactly. If you think your freedoms being eroded away started with Obama then you're either a party hack or suffering from short term memory problems.
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The point is, its happening and liberals and fake ass Republicans don't give a shit
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They haven't for a long time now, where have you been?

Serious question though. Are you going to vote for Romney?
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Exactly. If you think your freedoms being eroded away started with Obama then you're either a party hack or suffering from short term memory problems.
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The point is, its happening and liberals and fake ass Republicans don't give a shit
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They haven't for a long time now, where have you been?

Serious question though. Are you going to vote for Romney?
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I'm voting for smaller government that would be Romney. Only losers vote third party
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The point is, its happening and liberals and fake ass Republicans don't give a shit
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They haven't for a long time now, where have you been?

Serious question though. Are you going to vote for Romney?
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I'm voting for smaller government that would be Romney. Only losers vote third party
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Then shut up and quit bitching about your freedoms, because that's the america that you're voting for. You obviously care more about party politics than you do your freedoms
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Jroc said: ↑

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They haven't for a long time now, where have you been?

Serious question though. Are you going to vote for Romney?
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I'm voting for smaller government that would be Romney. Only losers vote third party
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Then shut up and quit bitching about your freedoms, because that's the america that you're voting for. You obviously care more about party politics than you do your freedoms
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I care more than you because you waste your vote idiot,but at least you feel good about yourself... Congradulations

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