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NASA needs extra funding , more efficient organisation and a clear vision for manned space flight if it is not going to be overtaken by others in the near future. India did this cheaper. Also it seems they have an ICBM capability equal to All the 5 security council members. But actually I am glad cause if India can do this means we are rapidly approaching a trigger point where to make the next step you will have to be ahead in space.
Which P5 country does not. Both the British and French have ICBM launch capability from submarines?
Regarding underestimating ISRO the level of complexity and quality of what they have achieved so far has not been on the level of the most advanced NASA missions. They also have the advantage of being able to learn from others mistakes who got to Mars 40- 50 years ago.
Indian Space Research Organization launches GSLV Mk III, the biggest ever rocket fired by an Indian agency. This rocket carried a mock capsule capable of taking heavy payloads such as astronaut crew from Earth to space.
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India launches GSLV Mk-III its biggest ever rocket from Sriharikota Daily Mail Online
Which P5 country does not. Both the British and French have ICBM launch capability from submarines?
Regarding underestimating ISRO the level of complexity and quality of what they have achieved so far has not been on the level of the most advanced NASA missions. They also have the advantage of being able to learn from others mistakes who got to Mars 40- 50 years ago.
You are wrong in assuming that NASA shares its knowledge with ISRO.
France and Russia are the only two countries in Europe that have ICBMs.
Britain has SLBMs not ICBMs which I think it has leased from the U.S.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.
Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.
There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.
If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.
Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.
There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.
If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.
Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.
Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.
There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.
If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.
Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.
You are wrong again. NASA is the only agency ISRO had actual collaboration with and that ended in 60s when distance between India and the U.S. started to grow. ISRO never had design level collaboration with another country - not even U.S.S.R. / Russia. The level of co-operation between French and ISRO is limited to 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back' type of co-operation. What it basically means is that ISRO has launched stuff for French and vice versa. That is about it. ISRO has two types of rockets that are routinely used by it: PSLV and GSLV. Both are very unique Indian designs.
^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.
They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.
Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.
There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.
If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.
Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.
You are wrong again. NASA is the only agency ISRO had actual collaboration with and that ended in 60s when distance between India and the U.S. started to grow. ISRO never had design level collaboration with another country - not even U.S.S.R. / Russia. The level of co-operation between French and ISRO is limited to 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back' type of co-operation. What it basically means is that ISRO has launched stuff for French and vice versa. That is about it. ISRO has two types of rockets that are routinely used by it: PSLV and GSLV. Both are very unique Indian designs.
French collaboration was deeper than that and even through the time of nuclear sanctions against India it was selling them stuff. However regarding rockets I will concede the point as it seems to me that the French also had no interest in giving the rocket launch technology away to the Indians as that would have meant losing their senior partner status in the bilateral trade and Indias dependence on Ariane for its launches until recently. With the launch of the GSLV the relationship has changed and the dependency factor is no longer there.
The Space Review India 8217 s French Connection in space
That said the GSLV is very similar to the Ariane design and 50 years after the Russian and American achievements.
