ISREALI Gov't official: No 'smoking gun' on Iran

[Shogun]

Israel does not have "smoking gun" intelligence that will force an American reassessment of its National Intelligence Estimate that Iran halted its nuclear weapons plan in 2003, a government official told The Jerusalem Post Monday.

The official's comments came as a delegation from Military Intelligence is in the US for meetings with American officials about Iran.

Another diplomatic official labeled as either "very arrogant" or "naive" the idea that all Israel had to do was reveal one piece of information to get the US intelligence community to say it erred and will "take it all back and follow Israel's line."

The official said it was clear that the Americans pretty much know what Israel knows about the Iranian nuclear program and that the difference is not over the facts but rather over their interpretation.

"If we had information that we held back, then we have only ourselves to blame for the US report," the official said.

According to a government official, there were some positive elements in the NIE report, most importantly its conclusion that Iran did indeed have a weapons program up until 2003. No one, he said, knows the "destiny" of that program.

The official said the role of the International Atomic Energy Agency now must be to investigate and see what came out of that program.

"If Iran wanted to show in 2003 that it had dismantled its program, imagine the international credit it would have received," the official said, adding that Teheran probably chose not to do so "for good reason."

The official said Iran was both continuing with its uranium enrichment efforts and developing a weapons delivery system, and that if this continued, it could reach nuclear capabilities by 2009 at the earliest, and 2012 at the latest.

"Israel can't take the risk that Iran will be nuclear," the official said. The official, who reiterated Israel's position that sanctions must continue and be stepped up, said Britain, France and Germany remained determined to impose sanctions, and that the NIE did not change their positions.

The US State Department's John Rood arrived in Israel Saturday night for talks about Iran. He was appointed the acting under secretary of state for arms control and international security in September, putting him in charge of non- and counter-proliferation matters and arms control at the State Department. He also oversees disarmament compliance and verification, regional security and defense relations.

Rood previously served as assistant secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation. In that position, he was responsible for developing policies to curb weapons of mass destruction proliferation, exercise arms export controls and related issues. He traveled to Israel in the spring, comparing notes and coordinating nonproliferation and antiterrorism efforts.

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Well, how 'bout that... I see this missed the radar of the local zionists yesterday...

 

[Annie]

Israel does not have "smoking gun" intelligence that will force an American reassessment of its National Intelligence Estimate that Iran halted its nuclear weapons plan in 2003, a government official told The Jerusalem Post Monday.

The official's comments came as a delegation from Military Intelligence is in the US for meetings with American officials about Iran.

Another diplomatic official labeled as either "very arrogant" or "naive" the idea that all Israel had to do was reveal one piece of information to get the US intelligence community to say it erred and will "take it all back and follow Israel's line."

The official said it was clear that the Americans pretty much know what Israel knows about the Iranian nuclear program and that the difference is not over the facts but rather over their interpretation.

"If we had information that we held back, then we have only ourselves to blame for the US report," the official said.

According to a government official, there were some positive elements in the NIE report, most importantly its conclusion that Iran did indeed have a weapons program up until 2003. No one, he said, knows the "destiny" of that program.

The official said the role of the International Atomic Energy Agency now must be to investigate and see what came out of that program.

"If Iran wanted to show in 2003 that it had dismantled its program, imagine the international credit it would have received," the official said, adding that Teheran probably chose not to do so "for good reason."

The official said Iran was both continuing with its uranium enrichment efforts and developing a weapons delivery system, and that if this continued, it could reach nuclear capabilities by 2009 at the earliest, and 2012 at the latest.

"Israel can't take the risk that Iran will be nuclear," the official said. The official, who reiterated Israel's position that sanctions must continue and be stepped up, said Britain, France and Germany remained determined to impose sanctions, and that the NIE did not change their positions.

The US State Department's John Rood arrived in Israel Saturday night for talks about Iran. He was appointed the acting under secretary of state for arms control and international security in September, putting him in charge of non- and counter-proliferation matters and arms control at the State Department. He also oversees disarmament compliance and verification, regional security and defense relations.

Rood previously served as assistant secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation. In that position, he was responsible for developing policies to curb weapons of mass destruction proliferation, exercise arms export controls and related issues. He traveled to Israel in the spring, comparing notes and coordinating nonproliferation and antiterrorism efforts.

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Well, how 'bout that... I see this missed the radar of the local zionists yesterday...

Well it's interesting to see local neo-Nazis cutting and pasting the Jerusalem Post.

 

[Shogun]

oh I'm a NEO-NAZI now..


hey, is that a step UP or a step DOWN from goyim scum?


I guess we can see what the TYPICAL response is to the FACT of israels war drum....

Far be it for me to suggest that criticism of israel is met with blind demonization... I'd hate to be correct about one more thing.

 

[Annie]

oh I'm a NEO-NAZI now..


hey, is that a step UP or a step DOWN from goyim scum?


I guess we can see what the TYPICAL response is to the FACT of israels war drum....

Far be it for me to suggest that criticism of israel is met with blind demonization... I'd hate to be correct about one more thing.

Was I speaking to you? I didn't assume you were calling me a Zionist. I didn't neg you on that, did I? Have I ever?

Want to post the link to any 'goyim skum' I've ever written? Any hate crap at all?

 

[Shogun]

Well it's interesting to see local neo-Nazis cutting and pasting the Jerusalem Post.

WHO cut and pasted and posted this article from the jpost?

 

[Annie]

WHO cut and pasted and posted this article from the jpost?

You, darling. Your point?

 

[Shogun]

my point is that

Well it's interesting to see local neo-Nazis cutting and pasting the Jerusalem Post.
and
Was I speaking to you?

dont gel very well, do they? I mean, if you are going to deflect this thread with tangents on EXPOSING me as a big evil nazi perhaps you should at least stand behind your accusation, eh?


I mean, it's not like doing so will prove my point about this issue or anything.

 

[Gunny]

my point is that

Well it's interesting to see local neo-Nazis cutting and pasting the Jerusalem Post.
and
Was I speaking to you?

dont gel very well, do they? I mean, if you are going to deflect this thread with tangents on EXPOSING me as a big evil nazi perhaps you should at least stand behind your accusation, eh?


I mean, it's not like doing so will prove my point about this issue or anything.

I for one can't quite understand how you can champion the cause of a so-called "people" who have done nothing but continue a barbaric and murderous, not to mention failing, war of genocide.

The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians went so far to vote a known terrorist organization in as their government. They have spit in the face of every peace offering.

They're the bad guys, and they are in the wrong, period.

 

[Shogun]

I would hand you a good read on the entire plight of the Indian Wars and hope you take it in objectively. WE, as in israel and the US, are NOT the good guys when you can see each of my opponents on this topic shrug off the humanity in palestine like germans who didn't really care about concentration camps. There could be peace between israel and pal in less than a single decade if Israel were serious about finding it outside of trying to overpopulate the area with jews. GOOD GUYS don't side with nations hellbent on an ethnic criteria for it's citizens, Gunny. Whats not good for the german goose is not good for the jewish gander either. Merely identifying with "OUR SIDE" for the sake of location and not ideals is a pretty shallow method of thinking critically about the issue at hand.

Let me ask you, if Israel were Germany and the Pals were jews, AND ALL OTHER THINGS ARE THE SAME, would you be similarly quick to call us the "good guys"? Could you rationalize the legitimacy of a german Aryan nation? Would it be easy to just say "Fuck em" like I've seen used in reference to pals? It seems to me that this kind of shallow apathy is exactly why the holocaust was allowed to become what it became. Plenty of people were apathetic about jews in germany and just didn't give a fuck. Fuck em, so to speak. I'd rather learn the lesson of the holocaust even if it means telling the previous victims that they cannot marginalize THEIR OWN brand new ethnic victim for the sake of theri version of THEIR Aryan nation.. The irony is rich like a gold vein sprinkled with diamonds.

This is why you don't see vitriol against jews for the sake of their jewishness in any of my posts. I've challenged the zionists to post em but they are not there. Why? simple. Because I don't hate jews. I hate the inhumane attitude that seems to let yesterdays victims become todays executioner. It's easier to call me a neo-nazi like our friend above than it is to consider that maybe, JUST MAYBE, jews in israel are equally as human as the rest of us and might very well be susceptible to the same patterns of racism and ethnic marginalization that they "enjoyed" under hitler.

If you take a look at the Native Wars in America and don't take an "us vs. them" approach to the conflict you can see the EXACT same pattern happening in palisrael. The EXACT SAME THING. Were natives viscious in killing encroaching whites? absolutely! This is NOT acceptable behaviour. Were the whites CLEARLY encroaching their land? Have you SEEN a native lately?

Let me ask you this: If you owned land and I didn't.. Let's say I was a new guy straying into town and decided to drop anchor in your neighborhood BUT you have all the land. Ok? Let's say that I decide to squat on our back yard. Now, keep in mind, all I want is a home of my own. All I want is to settle down and focus on my family. Now, you wake up one morning and find that I've decided to take your back yard AND your east wing... You know, the family is GROWING. MY clan start to develop this attitude as if YOU OWE US this land because back in the 1800's my great(to the nth power) grand pappy was from the area so your yard might very well have been MY land anyway. We decide to use your BBQ pit and water hose without regard for putting it back. We pour concrete across your front yard in order to allow US to drive around your house and into your former back yard where my new Pool and Deck and 3 car garage is located. When you child wants to come out and play I call the cops and have him arrested EVERY TIME I percieve, rightly or not, that I am threatened. Your kid gets branded a child thug while MY child goes on to bring his wife and HER family to live on MY new territory.

Now, tell me at what point you would have kicked me off of your land. At what point would your concern over my homeless welfare fizzle in regard to the PROCESS by which I am creating a home? In our own history even notoriously friendly tribes reacted violently to encroachment. Those that didn't became a footnote in history. Ever meet a Nez Perce Indian? This is what we'd have called a TERRORIST these days just because of an ethnocentric identification with white europeans in north America.

1910 - Not even 100 years ago.

NO ONE wants be be marginalized, Gunny. Not the natives, not the JEWS, not the mulsims, not the blacks and not the whites. If jews are equally human enough to rationalize racism then they are equally human enough to qualify for every ounce of criticism that I post... even if the zionists look for any way to deflect, derail, demonize, dehumanize, and ignore the issues playing out like a fricking sitcom rerun.

feel free to debate this issue instead of falling back on antisemite accusations.