Israel's "Right to Exist"?

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    just what exactly is it?

    i hear the term "right to exist" used quite a bit when speaking of israel and occasionally, but very rarely, some other states, but no one really explains it or questions the concept.

    i mean, who or what gives israel this right to exist? who conferred it upon israel or was it just expressed generally and is applied to all states and would be states? did israel have a right to exist before it became a state? it would seem that such a right to exist would be universal. is it codified or mentioned in some jurisdictional or international legal system? anywhere? does it have any historical or legal precedent or continuity and, if so, from when? where?

    does there ever come a time when such a "right to exist" ceases and, if so, when, where, and how?

    personally. i have no idea whether israel, or any state, has a "right to exist." it just seems like a very odd concept with no precedent or standing whatsoever.
     
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    Yep, that's a head scratcher, by golly.
     
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    The Palestinian government recognizes Israel's right to exist.

    When will Israel recognize Palestine's right to exist?
     
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    Israel wasn't satisified with the Palestinian government recognizing their right to exist; now, the Israeli government wants them to recognize Israel as a theocracy- a "Jewish" state.

    Which would make sense,maybe, if most of Israel's population followed Judaism!
     
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    Don't you represent the Israeli government? And all True Torah Jews?
     
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    What part of the Palisimian government doesn't have a charter that doesn't vow to wipe out Jewry?
     
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    A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
    Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.
     
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    Perhap's if and when the state of Palestine exists, eh?
    "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban
     
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    so you think the only reason israel has a right to exist because it does exist, and that, say, 65 years ago it had no right to exist...and should it be overrun it no longer has a right to exist.

    since palestine and israel is one of the last remnants of the european colonialism that began in the 15th century, began to wane as the decolinization in the 17th and 18th century began, and any new colonial adventures were eliminated shortly after WWI, except for the palestine mandate and the six counties in the northeast of ireland, then i would call those people who who object to the israeli state as anti-colonialists, anti-imperialists, humanitarians, a few anti-semites, civil rights and human rights activists..

    and no...you really didn't answer my question. i don't really think it is a question a zionist can answer, and particularly in general terms.
     
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    Interesting. What countries have expressed that they have the right to exist?
     

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