Israel's contribution to peace

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

Then why are you saying it? When the security barrier was added to a system of patrols and checkpoints it made penetration into Israel much more difficult.



Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only about 5% of the barrier is a wall, the rest is a multi layered security fence.

Most of the barrier (over 95% of total length) consists of a "multi-layered fence system".[31] The IDF's preferred design has three fences, with pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire for the two outer fences and a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle. Patrol roads are provided on both sides of the middle fence, an anti-vehicle ditch is located on the West Bank side of the fence, and a smooth dirt strip on the Israeli side for "intrusion tracking".

Some sections (less than 5% of total length) are constructed as a wall made up of concrete slabs up to 8 m in height and 3 m in width.[32] Occasionally, due to topographic conditions other sections of the barrier will reach up to 100 m in width.[33] Wall construction (5%) is more common in urban settings, such as areas near Qalqilyah and Jerusalem, because it is narrower, requires less land, and provides more protection against snipers. In all cases there are regular observation posts, automated sensing devices and other apparatuses. Gates at various points are controlled by Israeli soldiers.

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In most areas, there are also exclusion areas, so if you were to try to approach the barrier you would likely be detected by an observation tower or electroniic surveilance and stopped by a patrol. For every strategy there is a counter strategy - that's why people still play chess - but tunneling is unlikely to be successful because tunneling is anexpensive, time consuming activity that would likely be reported by the Shin Bet's extensive network of informants. In Gaza, numerous attempts to tunnel into Israel have been detected but only one was successful in 2006.

Contrast this with 2002 when there was no security barrier and no IDF presence in the West Bank and suicide bombers could easily walk across the green line or in some cases take a cab from the West Bank to their targets.

So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.
 
So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.

:lmao: ...while they dig tunnels and launch rockets. You think maybe that they ran out of people who want to blow themselves up?
 
So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.

:lmao: ...while they dig tunnels and launch rockets. You think maybe that they ran out of people who want to blow themselves up?

Blowing themselves up is in the muslime DNA.

"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg]Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" - YouTube[/ame]
 
So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.

:lmao: ...while they dig tunnels and launch rockets. You think maybe that they ran out of people who want to blow themselves up?

It would be nice to think so, but the fact is they have continued trying to dig tunnels into Israel and have been unsuccessful except for that one time in 2006. As the leader of Islamic Jihad said, it was the security barrier that stopped the suicide bombers.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.

Against themselves?

Obvoiusly.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.

Against themselves?

Obvoiusly.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the wall helps stop arab on arab suicide bombings? :tinfoil:
 
Against themselves?

Obvoiusly.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the wall helps stop arab on arab suicide bombings? :tinfoil:

Most of the wall is not between the West Bank and Israel. It is the West Bank on both sides.
 
Then why are you saying it? When the security barrier was added to a system of patrols and checkpoints it made penetration into Israel much more difficult.



Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only about 5% of the barrier is a wall, the rest is a multi layered security fence.



Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In most areas, there are also exclusion areas, so if you were to try to approach the barrier you would likely be detected by an observation tower or electroniic surveilance and stopped by a patrol. For every strategy there is a counter strategy - that's why people still play chess - but tunneling is unlikely to be successful because tunneling is anexpensive, time consuming activity that would likely be reported by the Shin Bet's extensive network of informants. In Gaza, numerous attempts to tunnel into Israel have been detected but only one was successful in 2006.

Contrast this with 2002 when there was no security barrier and no IDF presence in the West Bank and suicide bombers could easily walk across the green line or in some cases take a cab from the West Bank to their targets.

So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.
It's an Iron Curtain designed to proliferate apartheid. Much of it is being built on Palestinian land and across Palestinian property. In one case, it cut across a Palestinian farmers land which prevented him from feeding his cows, which were on the other side of the wall.

The "occupation" is at the crux of all the hostility. And people that blame everything on the Pals do so, because their parents were failures at teaching them to be responsible adults.
 
So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

It's nothing like a prison wall. First of all, only 5% of it is a wall, and second, it is intended to keep people out of Israel, not to lock them up.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So regardless of your musings, the Palestinian Arab terrorists consider the security barrier a very effective measure in preventing terrorist attacks.
It's an Iron Curtain designed to proliferate apartheid. Much of it is being built on Palestinian land and across Palestinian property. In one case, it cut across a Palestinian farmers land which prevented him from feeding his cows, which were on the other side of the wall.

The "occupation" is at the crux of all the hostility. And people that blame everything on the Pals do so, because their parents were failures at teaching them to be responsible adults.

The fence is a defensive measure made necessary by Palestinian Arab efforts to commit racist hate crimes against Jews during the second intifada. Israel's High Court of Justice has taken the position that Israel's security needs must be balanced against the difficulties the fence causes for some Palestinian Arabs, and it has several times ordered the IDF to tear down sections of fence and rebuild it along different routes. No doubt some Palestinian Arabs still find sections of the fence inconvenient, but not nearly as inconvenient as the Israelis who were blown up while eating or praying before the fence went up. If the Palestinian Arabs want the fence to come down, all they have to do is stop trying to commit racist hate crimes against Jews.

The crux of the problem is that violent expressions of Arab anti semitism have been a core value of Arabs/Muslims for over a thousand years.
 
The crux of the problem is that violent expressions of Arab anti semitism have been a core value of Arabs/Muslims for over a thousand years.

So, do you still think that it was a good idea to take Europe's Jewish problem and implant it in the Middle East?
 
The crux of the problem is that violent expressions of Arab anti semitism have been a core value of Arabs/Muslims for over a thousand years.

So, do you still think that it was a good idea to take Europe's Jewish problem and implant it in the Middle East?

IMA DUNCE




Eminent Middle East Historian Dr. Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, Author, "The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2000 Years," "The Future of the Middle East," "The Shaping of the Modern Middle East," "The End of Modern History in the Middle East," Faith and Power: Religion and Politics in the Middle East"

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.
Amazon.com: Political Words and Ideas in Islam (9781558764248): Bernard Lewis: Books

PBS: Civilization and the Jews
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage

Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.

Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah

The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.

The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.
 

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