Israeli settlements in Gaza

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    Israel pulling out of the Gaza Strip is a step in the right direction towards a long-term peace settlement. This is only a beginning in the creation of a viable Palestinian State. Gaza Strip population is over 1,274,000 people in 360 square miles making it one of the most density-populated areas in the world with over 3,500 people per square miles. Very little fresh water and an ailing infrastructure and economy in the Gaza Strip, there is much that has to be done. The standard of living of the Palestinian people will have to be comparable to the Israelis and Jordanian. A major long-term international financial program is needed for the Gaza Strip.

    Egypt the recipient of a lot of international financial aid can help greatly in the creation of a viable Palestinian State. Egypt a nation that is cash poor and rich in land and culture could help in three ways. The first part only the Egyptians could help the Palestinian people with a land deal. A land deal with Egypt for a portion of the Sinai Peninsula bordering the Gaza Strip should be granted to the Palestinian State. This land deal could be the carrots that make the Gaza Strip a prosperous and viable state. The second major contribution Egypt can make is to work with the rest of the international community in the construction of the infrastructure to the Gaza Strip. The third Egypt could be one of the larger trading partners as well as on the ground consultants to the Palestinian people.

    The Israeli settlements in Gaza that the Israeli government is going to turn over to the Palestinian people should be intact as part of the reparation. Some of the former Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip should be used for housing the international humanitarian worker. Building a world-class hotel somewhere in Gaza so that international business has a base to work from to attract international investment into Gaza.
     
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    pre-'67 borders. an idea.
     
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    Do you think any international investor with an ounce of sense would invest in "Palestinian" terror? They already tried to build casinos, thinking they would attract foreign money that way, but the intifada put an end to that. Foreign investors are not about to risk money in "Palestinian" investments.
     
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    Originally posted by David2004


    Israel owes reparations for WHAT and to WHOM? Israel was not only won fairly and squarely in a war against them but there never was a palestine below the Jordan river.

    The only peace in Israel will be when the entire Muslim Arab and Christian Arab population is humanely transfered to their historical lands in Jordan.

    Arabs want no land called Palestine where Israel exists to this day or for the past 3,000 years, they want the death of all the Jews followed by the death of all pagan non-believers of Muhammad. Qur'an 9:5....

    They believe their bible just like you do yours.

    The ultimate peace will come when Israel wakes up, moves the Arabs out of Israel and flattens their towns, villages, and hovels with large bulldozers.

    Then will there be PEACE in the land of the Jewish people.
     
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    Why Didn’t Muslims Create a State of Palestine?

    The Everlasting Hatred

    It has become a forgone conclusion in the Western World that there must be created a Palestinian State in the so-called “West Bank and Gaza Strip”. To this assumption, I shout a resounding, “WHY?” Now I realize even raising such a question will shock most of you who read this article. But the basis of my question is based on the policies and actions of the Muslim nations—especially those that have in the past had control of this very area.

    Has any Western diplomat studied the history of Muslim treatment of the people who populated this area for at least the last 200 years? I did a carefully documented study of the Palestinian territory’s history in my new book, “The Everlasting Hatred, the Roots of Jihad.” I believe that those who read my findings will be as outraged as I am at the almost criminally stupid policies that the West led by the United States is seeking to impose on the Israelis. The following is a brief summary of some of the facts I discovered. My book gives the documentation.

    By the beginning of the 19th Century, the Palestinian territories were a total wasteland, populated by a very few migrant sharecroppers who rented from the heartless absentee landlords of the Turkish Ottoman Empire, who were called “effendis”. The Turkish policies had so denuded the land of tress, vegetation, terraces and irrigation systems that the topsoil was eroded away, leaving only lifeless rocks. What little water was left formed malaria-ridden swamps.

    The only settled people in the whole territory lived in a few cities and towns, such as Jerusalem, Joppa, Safed, Tiberias, Akko, etc. A majority of these settled people were either Christian or Jewish, who endured enormous hardships to live there for religious reasons. But in between these towns, you could go for a hundred miles and not see a living soul. And when you did see someone, it was usually a band of migrant Bedouin shepherds who were constantly moving with the seasons from one region to another.

    It was into this devastated, unpopulated wasteland that Jews fleeing persecution in Europe began to come around the middle of the 19th Century. They bought land at greatly inflated prices from the Turkish Effendis. With Herculean effort, at the price of many deaths and much suffering, the Jews began to make the land fertile again. It was miraculous the way the land responded to their efforts. All previous Arab efforts had failed. I believe this was a literal, miraculous fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter 36.

    This is when a phenomenon took place that laid the foundations for our present disaster. Migrant Muslim workers began to flood into the Jewish settled areas to get jobs. Jews literally became victims of their own success. The more successful they were, the more workers from the surrounding Muslim would flock to them for jobs.

    By the beginning of the 20th Century, the Jewish reclaimed areas had significantly increased. This of course troubled the Muslims, especially the clerics in Jerusalem. They began to sound the alarm throughout the Muslim world that the Jews might one day take over the Holy City of Jerusalem. As a result, the Muslims stirred the migrant workers—who had greatly benefited from the jobs provided by the Jews—to claim, “The Jews stole our family lands.” Myths were created about how their families had lived in these Jewish settled areas “from time immemorial”.

    When the British defeated the Turkish Ottoman Empire and retook all the Arab territories including Palestine, British Christian Members of Parliament spearheaded a movement to carve out a Jewish Homeland in the Palestinian territories. At the Conference of San Remo in 1922, the League of Nations created a specific territory for this purpose and Mandated Great Britain to implement its fulfillment. The borders given included not only all of Israel, including the so-called West Bank and Gaza, but also all of what is today called the Kingdom of Jordan. The motto given for this noble policy was, “A people without a land, for a land without a people.” This reflected the known realities of that time.

    Of course the Arabs began to howl like wounded jackals over this. Never mind that the same League of Nations had begun to return to them the whole Middle East that had been occupied by the Ottomans for over four centuries. That wasn’t enough. They especially did not want Jews to have the dignity of their own state. And they considered it the ultimate insult to their Muslim pride that it would be established in what they considered part of the Muslim world.

    So enormous pressure was brought to bear upon Great Britain and the West to eliminate the possibility of a Jewish State in the region. Their first victory in this campaign was to get regional British Foreign Ministers, who were virulently anti-Jewish, to reverse the policy of their own nation and violate article five of the League of Nations Mandate. They did this by giving away without authorization the entire Trans-Jordan territory to the Arab Hashemite Tribe that had just been driven out of Arabia by the fanatical House of Saud. The Hashemites had been long-time custodians of the holy places of Mecca and Medina.

    Trans-Jordan represented more than 75% of the land that had been mandated by the League of Nations as a Jewish Homeland. The amazing thing is that the Jews agreed to this illegal act, providing it would be made a state where any displaced migrant workers might go and find a home.

    Now here is where a very important question has to be raised. Why did the British give the land to the Hashemites instead of to the migrant workers in the Palestinian territory? The most important reason is because the Hashemites were an established organized people. The migrant workers were just a disorganized band of migrant workers from many different Muslim countries. They had no idea of how to establish and run a state. They simply were not an organized, homogenous people.

    This is why today, The Royal Kingdom of Jordan is mostly controlled and governed by the Hashemites, who make up only about 15% of the population. The other 85% are the descendents of the migrant workers who have come to be called, Palestinians.

    Here is another vital question. Why did not Jordan and Egypt establish a “Palestinian State”? For nineteen years Jordan controlled the West Bank and Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip. Now these hypocritical nations demand for Israel to do what they wouldn’t have dreamed of doing—give “the disorganized migrant workers a state.”

    These people, who have come to be called “Palestinians”, have proven that they will never live in peace with Israel. One of the main reasons is because they have been continually cheated and brutalized by their own Muslim brothers. But there is such an endemic hatred of the Jews that dates back over 4000 years that the Muslims can easily divert the blame from themselves to the Jews. The fact that, contrary to all other historic cases of refugees, they have been kept in the squalor of refugee camps and refused repatriation into their fellow Muslim countries is blamed on the “Israeli occupation of their lands.”

    Let’s face facts; the ultimate goal of the Muslim Middle East is not to have two peaceful states living side by side in Palestine. Their goal is the destruction of the State of Israel and the removal of all Western influence in the Middle Eastern. True Islam sees itself at war with the culture of the Judea-Christian culture. It is incompatible with the very culturally based Islamic religion.

    In the light of these stark realities, it is national suicide for Israel to continue on the political path of the Oslo Agreement. It is a sure course to national and international disaster.
     
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    How about Israel returning to its pre-3,000 BCE borders? A better idea......

    Here is how a new Israel border might look in the middle east.

    http://muslims.homestead.com/IsraelBorders2004.html
     
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    Choosing borders= choosing front battle lines
    Why would a terrorist want a border when they ignore them anyway and it would be like painting a bullseye on themselves. The Palestinians are a persecuted minority in an Arab would. The arabs would love to keep them in thier ghettos and blame Israel for it. The Arab world very simply wants to push Israel into the sea and if they succeed, the Palestinians will still be forced into a ghetto.
     
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    Islam is a faith of envy and hate for those who are in the current 21st century. For example, which weapons do the Muslims use against the infidels who do not believe in the religion created by Muhammad were not invented or made by any Muslim nation.

    The Islamic nations buy and steal modern weapons when they could just as easily use their spears and arrows that were present during their 7th ACE century religion of Muhammad.

    Islam relies on those whom they wish to destroy. Israel creates weapon systems that check-mate any of those stolen and bought by the Islamic terrorists. There are NO moderate Islamics for any of these believers that wish to live in peace with the world are marked as traitors and must be slain with the infidels.

    Islam is headed for the dust heap of all the old civilizations that desired to conquer the world for their god or their leader.
     

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