"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Phoenall]

That is an important distinction that most don't seem to want to see...it's similar with the military coup in Egypt.

It's not a matter of supporting one side or the other -- it's do you support the rule of law, regardless of the outcome of a democratic election? If you don't, at what point do you decide it's ok not to and how do you arrive at that decision? Simply because you (typically an outside power) doesn't like the result of the election?

So lets all back legal process and demand that hamas call an election to decide the issue, after all one is well overdue. Then demand that hamas stop all forms of belligerence as agreed through due legal process. Or would these be a step too far for most people to stomach ?

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

So the P.A. is dead in the water and cant hold anymore elections, which means that hamas as the P.A. is a paper tiger and incapable of government. This means that the Palestinians have once more shown they are incapable of even the simplest of free determination's

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas is not the president.

PLO extended his term till indefinitely to avoid a vacuum. Abbas agreed to stay on.
Egypt tried to get fatah and hamas agree to reconciliation. Fatah has signed but hamas refuses.
The term for hamas in parliament has also expired. Despite this they want the speaker to step in as acting president.
Abbas is trying to keep the PA government from collapse.

Egypt tried to get fatah and hamas agree to reconciliation. Fatah has signed but hamas refuses.

Fatah and Hamas agreed to many different issues in their mediations. When Egypt made the final draft for signing they changed some of these previously agreed points. Hamas would not sign the draft because it was not what they previously agreed.

On Oct. 25, Egypt had presented to the Palestinian factions, including Hamas and President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, a reconciliation pact, in a bid to end the feuds between the two groups and hold general elections in June 2010.

Fatah party accepted the reconciliation pact, and expressed readiness to sign it in Cairo. However, Hamas movement refused and said some articles in the pact need amendment.

Abu Zuhri said Saturday that "Hamas wants to add some points that had been agreed upon in the previous sessions of the dialogue but are not in the draft of the pact."

Hamas rejects AL secretary general criticism_English_Xinhua

The propagandists always say that Hamas refused to sign but always leave out the reason why.

Is that the best you can come up with when faced with the reality that is hamas refusing to act in accordance with their legal obligations. Wasn't it you that demanded the legal process be enforced, and here you are now saying that it shouldn't be enforced because it does not suit your terrorist POV.

 

[Phoenall]

It is documented as early as the 1920s in Palestine

Judis says Museum of Jewish Heritage has reinvited him to June 1 appearance!

"Judis’s book,*Genesis,*documents President Harry Truman’s opposition to establishing a country that did not separate church and state, and his abandoning his convictions under pressure from the Zionist lobby inside the U.S."

"I have just gotten to the part in the book where both the British and the Zionists in Palestine in the 1920s sought to defuse angry Palestinian opposition to Jewish nationalism by promoting Palestinian Muslim groups. The Brits and the Zionists felt that they could shatter Arab nationalism by dividing Muslims and Christians; they preferred a religious conflict. I did not know this before. I hope that at the June 1 event in New York, someone asks Judis about the extent to which the clash of civilizations and the war on terror and the fight with radical Islam today have some roots in colonial and Zionist choices. Not to deny Muslims agency in the conflict, but wasn’t this an important factor?"

Judis says Museum of Jewish Heritage has reinvited him to June 1 appearance! | Mondoweiss

The illegal foreign interferences birthed terrorism of today.

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep so,

The only "rule of law" for the Palestinians is the constant, illegal foreign interference. They have never been allowed to make their own decisions.

So who is this "illegal foreign interference" that is stopping the Palestinians from making their own decisions. They have been allowed to decide who should represent them, they have been allowed to enter the UN as observers, they have been allowed to form an interim governing body, they have been allowed to raise taxes, they have been allowed to hold elections. So what have they been stopped from actually doing by this so called " illegal foreign interference " .

Two points you fail to say who this "illegal foreign interference" was and wads it around in 632 C.E. when Mohamed used terrorism against the Jews in medina ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, it doesn't matter what externals believe should be, or should have been. It is a domestic decision to be made by the Palestinians.

There are two important set of conditions that should be considered.

Abbas is not the president.

PLO extended his term till indefinitely to avoid a vacuum. Abbas agreed to stay on.
Egypt tried to get fatah and hamas agree to reconciliation. Fatah has signed but hamas refuses.
The term for hamas in parliament has also expired. Despite this they want the speaker to step in as acting president.
Abbas is trying to keep the PA government from collapse.

The term for hamas in parliament has also expired. Despite this they want the speaker to step in as acting president.

Article 47 bis

The term of the current Legislative Council shall terminate when the members of the new elected Council take the constitutional oath.

2005 Amendment to the Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

(COMMENT)

What is important is the perception the outside world has as to which component, on the Palestinian Political Scene, has the capacity to establish and maintain diplomatic relations; and --- which component is projected forward by the Palestinian People as having the authority.

FIRST CONSIDERATION

It is understood that the pro-HAMAS component disagrees with the actual perception the world has. But the perception is everything.

• The Arab League says that the PLO is the sole represpentative of the Palestinian People.
• The Declaration of Independence says that the PLO is the sole representative of the Palestinians People.

As can be readily seen, there is an Application for Admission to the UN from the recognized sole representative of the Palestinian People signed by the President of the State of Palestine; and Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

I have the profound honour, on behalf of the Palestinian people, to submit this application of the State of Palestine for admission to membership in the United Nations. This application for membership is being submitted based on the Palestinian people’s natural, legal and historic rights and based on United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 as well as the Declaration of Independence of the State of Palestine of 15 November 1988 and the acknowledgement by the General Assembly of this Declaration in resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988.

(Signed) Mahmoud Abbas
President of the State of Palestine
Chairman of the Executive Committee of the
Palestine Liberation Organization​

SOURCE: A/66/371 S/2011/592 23 September 2011

SECOND CONSIDERATION

Since 2002, the Arab League has considered hostilities closed in the "Arab-Israeli conflict;" as distinguished from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

3. Undertakes that the Arab States shall then:

(a) Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict at an end and enter into a peace agreement between them and Israel while achieving security for all the States of the region;

(b) Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace;​

4. Guarantees the rejection of all forms of Palestinian resettlement, which is incompatible with the special situation in the Arab host countries;

5. Urges the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept the foregoing Initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and spare further bloodshed, thus enabling the Arab States and Israel to live side by side in peace and ensuring for generations to come a secure future in which stability and prosperity can prevail;

6. Invites the international community and all its constituent States and organizations to support this Initiative;

SOURCE: A/56/1026 S/2002/932 15 August 2002

The Arab League still has the State of Palestine as a member and still considers the PLO/PA as the principle voice with which to interact with in the course of business.

The Palestinian authority is urgently seeking an Arab League summit in Cairo, with the agenda of the summit being a discussion on the growing hostilities between the two Middle East countries and devising methods to bring truce among them.

After the initial failure of the UN Security Council to bring about peace, the League led by the Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, has a lot to accomplish and prove. Another important dimension of discussions in this meeting, as stated by the Palestinian Foreign Minister, Riad Malki, was the “indefinite financial support” from the Arab States. At present, the League maintains an approach of “complete discontent” towards the UN Security Council.

SOURCE: Arab League Online - 8 DEC 2012

Once again, I say, it doesn't matter what you use as your argument. For more than 20 years, the PLO has been the recognized voice of the people called Palestinians. And it is through this organization that all the major diplomatic and political conduits stretch. HAMAS has contributed virtually nothing to the local, regional, and greater international community towards peace --- nothing to "establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace!" (Both a UN goal and an Arab League objective.)

Thus, you can hardly blame the world for the false impression as to which element has a recognition of the people of Palestine. The election and constitutional checker playing means very little when stacked up against the actual efforts made by the greater PLO alliance.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

So lets all back legal process and demand that hamas call an election to decide the issue, after all one is well overdue. Then demand that hamas stop all forms of belligerence as agreed through due legal process. Or would these be a step too far for most people to stomach ?

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

So the P.A. is dead in the water and cant hold anymore elections, which means that hamas as the P.A. is a paper tiger and incapable of government. This means that the Palestinians have once more shown they are incapable of even the simplest of free determination's

Not true.

The speaker of the legislature is to temporarily assume the office of president and call for elections within 60 days.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

http://www.palestinianbasiclaw.org/basic-law/2003-amended-basic-law

 

[Phoenall]

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

So the P.A. is dead in the water and cant hold anymore elections, which means that hamas as the P.A. is a paper tiger and incapable of government. This means that the Palestinians have once more shown they are incapable of even the simplest of free determination's

Not true.

The speaker of the legislature is to temporarily assume the office of president and call for elections within 60 days.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

And if the speaker is not available what happens then ?

Then what happens when the 60 days are up, does the P.A. dissolve and sets the Palestinians back 65 years ?

 

[Phoenall]

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

So the P.A. is dead in the water and cant hold anymore elections, which means that hamas as the P.A. is a paper tiger and incapable of government. This means that the Palestinians have once more shown they are incapable of even the simplest of free determination's

Not true.

The speaker of the legislature is to temporarily assume the office of president and call for elections within 60 days.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

This from the current law tells a different story

2005 Amendment to the Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law


Article 36

The term of the presidency of the National Authority shall be four years. The President shall have the right to nominate himself for a second term of presidency, provided that he shall not occupy the position of the presidency more than two consecutive terms.

 

[Hossfly]

That is an important distinction that most don't seem to want to see...it's similar with the military coup in Egypt.

It's not a matter of supporting one side or the other -- it's do you support the rule of law, regardless of the outcome of a democratic election? If you don't, at what point do you decide it's ok not to and how do you arrive at that decision? Simply because you (typically an outside power) doesn't like the result of the election?

So lets all back legal process and demand that hamas call an election to decide the issue, after all one is well overdue. Then demand that hamas stop all forms of belligerence as agreed through due legal process. Or would these be a step too far for most people to stomach ?

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

Then he went from President to dictator?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So lets all back legal process and demand that hamas call an election to decide the issue, after all one is well overdue. Then demand that hamas stop all forms of belligerence as agreed through due legal process. Or would these be a step too far for most people to stomach ?

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

Then he went from President to dictator?

He did.

In a military coup in June of 2007.

 

[Roudy]

The president is to call elections.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009.

Then he went from President to dictator?

He did.

In a military coup in June of 2007.

Don't they all?