Israel tries to head off UN resolution calling for West Bank withdrawal in two years

[toastman]

I Don't really know how to put this..but do you really think Israel would simply expose the most important defensive position for ANOTHER futuristic Gaza?

Israel has no other choice. The world is not going to let you keep stolen property.

You are delusional.

I'm sorry, you're the delusional one, if you think you can constantly violate international laws and human rights and have no one eventually do something about it.

Looking at what you've done to the Pals for the last 60, you have this coming! Bully's always get their ass kicked in the end and Israel will be no different.

Where was the peace with that the Palestinians promised when Israel withdrew by a matter of good will from Gaza??

You didn't withdraw from Gaza! If you did, they'd be able to leave the area. If you did, they'd be able to fish and farm without getting shot at.

I'm starting to hate the idea of that "peace" of yours to be honest -

You're not starting; you never wanted peace.

if forced withdrawal is what you just called "peace" -

No, it's called, "obeying the law".

I guess we will have to face another war, so be it.

This is a war with the rest of the free world, just like the Germans in WWII.

"This is a war with the rest of the free world, just like the Germans in WWII"

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today mounted a last-ditch effort to thwart a Palestinian and Arab bid to pass a UN Security Council resolution calling for Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank within two years.

Mr Netanyahu met US Secretary of State John Kerry in Rome to lobby for an American veto after issuing statements ruling out any such withdrawal, even if it is passed by the Security Council.

“There are efforts to dictate terms which harm the security of Israel and do not bring peace,” said Mr Netanyahu. “We will repel every effort like this, which will only bring the terrorism to the heart of the country.” Mr Netanyahu said on Sunday that if Israel were to pull out of the West Bank, Islamic extremists would reach “the suburbs of Tel Aviv and the heart of Jerusalem”.
Israel tries to head off UN resolution calling for West Bank withdrawal in two years - Middle East - World - The Independent

Israel hates the idea of peace

The UN must deny this as it goes against its own charter and will result in the mass murder of Jews. Then they will have to occupy the west bank themselves and deal with ISLAMONAZI TERRORISM

 

[Phoenall]

I Don't really know how to put this..but do you really think Israel would simply expose the most important defensive position for ANOTHER futuristic Gaza? You are delusional.
Where was the peace with that the Palestinians promised when Israel withdrew by a matter of good will from Gaza??
I'm starting to hate the idea of that "peace" of yours to be honest - if forced withdrawal is what you just called "peace" - I guess we will have to face another war, so be it.

I think the notion is they can build a wall, but they have to stay on their side too.

Does this mean the Palestinians will have to stay on theirs, and that Israel can bomb them if they try and cross over ?

 

[Phoenall]

I Don't really know how to put this..but do you really think Israel would simply expose the most important defensive position for ANOTHER futuristic Gaza? You are delusional.
Where was the peace with that the Palestinians promised when Israel withdrew by a matter of good will from Gaza??
I'm starting to hate the idea of that "peace" of yours to be honest - if forced withdrawal is what you just called "peace" - I guess we will have to face another war, so be it.

I think the notion is they can build a wall, but they have to stay on their side too.

I know at first it does true however there are few points to be aware of(specifically about walls)
1.There is a wall already and just like the fresh NG zones in Europe so does large parts WB for most Israelis so basically if you don't live there you don't want to get lost in there.
2.They have absolutely no use for wall when Israel can easily trespass it.
3. The breaking of security coordination.
All playing in the near future of course for the PA but none of this would end up being a real solution.
I can widely elaborate on this one but just to get to my points about the wall - nope.

You're still not identifying where this Palestinian state will be.

Behind secure negotiated borders as per RES 242

 

[Phoenall]

I Don't really know how to put this..but do you really think Israel would simply expose the most important defensive position for ANOTHER futuristic Gaza?

Israel has no other choice. The world is not going to let you keep stolen property.

You are delusional.

I'm sorry, you're the delusional one, if you think you can constantly violate international laws and human rights and have no one eventually do something about it.

Looking at what you've done to the Pals for the last 60, you have this coming! Bully's always get their ass kicked in the end and Israel will be no different.

Where was the peace with that the Palestinians promised when Israel withdrew by a matter of good will from Gaza??

You didn't withdraw from Gaza! If you did, they'd be able to leave the area. If you did, they'd be able to fish and farm without getting shot at.

I'm starting to hate the idea of that "peace" of yours to be honest -

You're not starting; you never wanted peace.

if forced withdrawal is what you just called "peace" -

No, it's called, "obeying the law".

I guess we will have to face another war, so be it.

This is a war with the rest of the free world, just like the Germans in WWII.

UN res 242 and 338 can not be broken by the UNSC without far reaching consequences. Neither can the UN charter, IHL and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS on a whim without bringing about the collapse of the UN and the ultimate destruction of the M.E.

 

[Phoenall]

"Our enemies-both within and without-seek to divide our peoples. They seek to create unbridgeable differences between us to prevent us from negotiating peaceful solutions to our problems. Peaceful negotiation is their enemy. Peaceful negotiation is their enemy, because it will lead to joint responsibility for the progress and prosperity of ________. Those whose methods are violent, do not want to participate. They wish to seize and monopolize all power. Let there be no doubt about what they would do with such power.

One has only to look at their methods and means. Violent and brutal means can only lead to totalitarian and tyrannical ends.....I have applied much self-discipline during the past weeks and months. I have been lenient and patient. Don't push us too far in your own interests, I tell them. Reform through a process of negotiation is not weakness. Talking, consulting, bargaining with all our peoples' leaders is not weakness. Mutual acceptance of and joint responsibility for the welfare and stability of our country is not weakness. It is our strength.....We are not going to be deterred from doing what we think best, nor will we be forced into doing what we don't want to do. The tragedy is that hostile pressure and agitation from abroad have acted as an encouragement to the militant revolutionaries to continue with their violence and intimidation. They have derived comfort and succour from this pressure.."

Sounds familiar. LOL

You should have quoted the whole speech.

Address by State President P. W. Botha August 15 1985 - The O Malley Archives

Why, just a few paragraphs make the point.

And what has this off topic shit got to do with Israel

 

[Lipush]

 

[bendog]

I Don't really know how to put this..but do you really think Israel would simply expose the most important defensive position for ANOTHER futuristic Gaza?

Israel has no other choice. The world is not going to let you keep stolen property.

You are delusional.

I'm sorry, you're the delusional one, if you think you can constantly violate international laws and human rights and have no one eventually do something about it.

Looking at what you've done to the Pals for the last 60, you have this coming! Bully's always get their ass kicked in the end and Israel will be no different.

Where was the peace with that the Palestinians promised when Israel withdrew by a matter of good will from Gaza??

You didn't withdraw from Gaza! If you did, they'd be able to leave the area. If you did, they'd be able to fish and farm without getting shot at.

I'm starting to hate the idea of that "peace" of yours to be honest -

You're not starting; you never wanted peace.

if forced withdrawal is what you just called "peace" -

No, it's called, "obeying the law".

I guess we will have to face another war, so be it.

This is a war with the rest of the free world, just like the Germans in WWII.

UN res 242 and 338 can not be broken by the UNSC without far reaching consequences. Neither can the UN charter, IHL and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS on a whim without bringing about the collapse of the UN and the ultimate destruction of the M.E.

Maybe the UN resolution would not be such a bad thing then, and one thing is certain, Israel isn't bringing down the UN

 

[teddyearp]

Here's a simple solution. "Palestine" declares their independence as a free and non violent state within Gaza and every bit of the West Bank that is under their control. Then from there they would have a much larger negotiating 'chip' towards freezing further Israeli settlements and then removing the 'walls'.

 

[Billo_Really]

UN res 242 and 338 can not be broken by the UNSC without far reaching consequences. Neither can the UN charter, IHL and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS on a whim without bringing about the collapse of the UN and the ultimate destruction of the M.E.

Keep thumping your chest like a gorilla. Change is going to happen whether you like it or not.

EU Parliament Recognizes Palestinian Statehood
On Wednesday, European parliamentarians endorsed Palestinian statehood. Carrying overwhelmingly – 498 to 88 with 111 abstentions. An estimated 134 nations recognize Palestinian statehood. Sweden the latest to join ranks with others. The first EU country to do so.

BTW, 242 and 338 were already broken....................BY ISRAEL!