Israel strikes back at Hamas

[GHook93]

What do you expect Israel to do when 100s of missiles are showered upon them daily? Wait until they run out? Do small retaliatory attacks, which accomplish nothing? Is it Israel's fault that Hamas and Islamic Jihad use highly residential areas as launching pads for their strikes? No! The Hamas terrorist have pick where the fight is to be and that is where they are taking them.

And how does Israel use a proportionate response? Should Israel be showering Gaza's border cities with 100s of daily missile attacks? You hypocrites who cry an even bigger foul.

Therefore it always comes down to Israel is damned if they do and damned if they don't, so they mine as well do!

It's amazing how none of you thus far have a problem with any of their soldiers going in their and killing innocents simply because to quote the attitude this thread is giving off "Hamas had it coming". The OP actually encourages innocents by the thousands to die (eventually would be a Genocide) to occur.

I usually try to avoid the whole Israeli/Palestine issue because of shit like this.

Because if I side with:

Israeli - I'm supposedly a Jew Lover and supporter and wish death upon non-Jews.

Palestine - I'm supposedly antisemite.

 

[GHook93]

This was the news just 2 days ago.


And just days prior to that



So what happened?

What happened? 100s of missile attacks started even before the so called truce was up. Hamas used the truce for one thing, to rearm and reorganize!

 

[GHook93]

Well fool, I love how you like to put words in my mouth. I never said Israel should not defend itself.

That is exactly what you are inferring dumbass

I just think it's sickening to see how some people here are encouraging the genocide practically of innocent people.

200 people out of 1.5 million is hardly genocide!

If the US were getting bombed by Canada, we'd destroy any military base of Canada, aircraft, and other institution related to the military. (Least we should)

LOL, because all terrorist organizations put large signs on them that say Shoot Here I am a Terrorist! Main reason we have already caught OBL! Terrorist hide within the populace! Collateral damage is their PR tactic. Israel was not aimless attacking they specifically targeted sites, unlike the random missile and suicide bomber attacks!

RGS, you really are a fucking idiot and just wanting to try and bash me. But hey, keep on encouraging genocide of others.

LOL, pot calling the kettle black!

 

[Anguille]

Ok bright boy, what should Israel do? There are HUNDREDS of missiles raining down on Israel EVERY day? What exactly should they do? Come on you are claiming Israel should not defend itself, go ahead tell us why?

Tell us, what would the US do if terrorists in Canada were lobbing missiles mortars and rockets into the US? Come on give us that amazing 17 year old insight of yours.

You stop just short of proving his point.

 

[Anguille]

Well I suggest you get a refund from your History teachers, we never wiped out the Indians.

We wiped out a few tribes and decimated the numbers of several others. We used germ warfare: small pox infected blankets.

 

[Anguille]

That tidbit of revisionist history was debunked long ago. They hadn't a clue to diseases and the way spread. Robert, calm down, you're not being your usual logical self.

They knew. Washington's army officers even considered using the same tactic against the Brits.

 

[Annie]

We wiped out a few tribes and decimated the numbers of several others. We used germ warfare: small pox infected blankets.

I don't know who 'we' is, but I tend to go along with history departments in any case.

I already put the sources of the 'common knowledge' out there, educate yourself or don't. I'm not going into a link to link war, I know what I know, I also know what I don't. This I KNOW.

 

[Annie]

Onto the original topic, the UN proves it's irrelevancy:

UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel_English_Xinhua

UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel
English_Xinhua 2008-12-28 0134 Print
UNITED NATIONS, Dec. 27 (Xinhua) -- U.N. Secretary-general Ban Ki-moon on Saturday called for an immediate halt to the violence in Gaza and southern Israel, condemning excessive use of force leading to civilian casualties and ongoing rocket attacks by militants.

In a statement issued by his spokesperson, Ban said that he is "deeply alarmed" by the heavy violence and bloodshed in Gaza, and the continuation of violence in southern Israel, and called for "an immediate halt to all violence."

While recognizing Israel's security concerns regarding the continued firing of rockets from Gaza, the UN chief firmly reiterated Israel's obligation to uphold international humanitarian and human rights law, and condemned excessive use of force leading to the killing and injuring of civilians.

"He condemns the ongoing rocket attacks by Palestinian militants and is deeply distressed that repeated calls on Hamas for these attacks to end have gone unheeded," the statement added....

 

[DiveCon]

Onto the original topic, the UN proves it's irrelevancy:

UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel_English_Xinhua

they'll send Hamas a stern letter next week

 

[Chris]

Madness.....madness.....

Israeli jets kill ‘more than 200’ in revenge strikes on Gaza - Times Online

 

[DavidS]

Well Israel responded today, widely reported. OTH Hamas issued the break in the cease fire and literally this week hundreds of bombs have fallen on Israel. During the 'cease fire', up until this week, 3000 bombs from Hamas have fallen in Israel. Again, today there was a response.

Annie, I was unable to find the exact number. Where were you able to find it? I knew the number was above 1000, but did not realize it was so many.

 

[DavidS]

Which was happening. Egypt had both sides talking about a truce just 3 days ago.

Egypt Brokering New Truce Between Hamas and Israel - International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC
Only seeing one side of the coin. Why do you continue to ignore the bombing raids and the other violations by Israel. I have at least recognized both.

You are blind. Thousands of rockets have poured into Israel while Israel has done nothing. Obviously Israel is the offended, not the offender. Hamas isn't denying that they broke the truce several times.

So, why don't you answer my question. What would you have Israel do in response to thousands of rockets being launched at its territory during the past 3 years? Would you have it sit quietly and do nothing? Well, that gets Israelis killed. Would you do small, pin point attacks? That just makes Hamas angrier and allows them to threaten Israel again.

If you are going to go to war, GO TO WAR. Use all of your might against the enemy and DESTROY them once and for all.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The number you're getting is from is alone or in combination.

I was getting my numbers from the left of that.

No you did not list any number for 2000. But hey thanks for playing, And am I now to believe if your not 100 percent an Indian, your not an Indian?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You're including mixed race, I'm not. Simply mistake.

Dumb shit, do they LIVE there?

 

[DavidS]

Madness.....madness.....

Israeli jets kill ‘more than 200’ in revenge strikes on Gaza - Times Online

I find your lack of comments at the number of rocket attacks on Israel disturbing.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Which was happening. Egypt had both sides talking about a truce just 3 days ago.

Egypt Brokering New Truce Between Hamas and Israel - International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC
Only seeing one side of the coin. Why do you continue to ignore the bombing raids and the other violations by Israel. I have at least recognized both.

No you have not. Once again for the stupid and slow. Hamas BROKE the Truce LONG ago. Israel tried to hold them to it after words with incremental solutions. What part of HAMAS FIRED at Israel FIRST and for the ENTIRE time of the Truce do you not comprehend?

 

[DavidS]

From the Israel Project:

Press Releases - The Israel Project

Israel Defends Citizens from Hamas​

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Royalty Free Photos: Israel Under Fire
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List of Sderot and Area Contacts Available for Comment
Graph: Rockets and Mortars Fired From Gaza June – December 2008
Iran Press Kit

As Hamas and other Iran-backed Palestinian groups in Gaza continue to kill and wound Israeli civilians by launching almost daily attacks, Israel took action Saturday (Dec. 27) to defend its citizens with targeted airstrikes against terrorist leaders and their strongholds. [1]
Israel’s “Operation Cast Lead” [2] comes eight days after Israel’s ceasefire with Iran-backed Hamas formally ended Friday (Dec. 19). During that time, Palestinian terrorists in Gaza have fired more than 170 missiles, rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians, killing a 30-year-old resident of the southern Negev city of Netivot and wounding four. [3]

Hamas and other Iran-backed terrorist groups claimed responsibility for the attacks. [4] A Katyusha missile hit the Negev town of Kiryat Gat for the first time, demonstrating that Hamas terrorists are capable of firing rockets more than 12 miles (20 km). [5]
Responding to the terrorism, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in a televised interview to Gaza’s citizens Dec. 25 on the Arabic TV network al-Arabiya “You the citizens of Gaza, you can stop it. I know how much you want to get up in the morning to quiet, to take your children to kindergarten or school, the way we do, the way they want to in Sderot and Netivot…

“We want to live as good neighbors with Gaza,” Olmert said.“ We do not want to harm you. We will not allow a humanitarian crisis and that you should suffer from a lack of food or medicines. We do not want to fight the Palestinian people but we will not allow Hamas to strike our children.” [6]
Despite the ongoing rocket and missile attacks, Israel on Friday (Dec. 26) transferred more than 90 truckloads of vital goods to Gaza residents. [7] For a comprehensive list of humanitarian aid delivered during the six-month ceasefire.
During the past year, Iran-backed terrorist groups in Gaza have fired more than 3,000 rockets, missiles and mortars at Israeli civilians in the southern Negev region, killing four people and wounding more than 270. [8]

Since Israel gave up all of Gaza in 2005 – relinquishing homes, farms, places of business and worship – terrorists have launched more than 6,300 rockets and mortars into Israel from Gaza. The attacks have killed 10 civilians, wounded more than 780 and traumatized thousands of others. [9] The only remaining Israeli in Gaza is Staff Sgt. Gilad Shalit who was abducted from Israel on June 25, 2006 by Hamas in a bloody cross-border raid in which the terrorists killed two IDF soldiers and wounded four others. [10]
During a visit five months ago to the southern Israeli city of Sderot, then-candidate and now President-elect Barack Obama defended Israel’s right to protect itself from such attacks: "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I would do everything to stop that, and would expect Israel to do the same thing." [11]
Speaking about the Iranian nuclear threat, Obama also said during the visit, "A nuclear Iran would pose a grave threat and the world must prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon." [12]
In addition to firing missiles at Israeli civilians, the terrorist groups have conducted a sustained campaign of attacks against the border crossings from Gaza into Israel. In 2008 alone, there have been more than 17 attacks or attempted attacks on the crossings.

Among the worst were the shooting deaths of two civilian workers at the Nahal Oz fuel terminal into Gaza; two simultaneous vehicle bombings of the Kerem Shalom goods crossing which wounded 13 soldiers manning the crossing and shut it down for more than two months while repairs were carried out; and an attempted truck bombing of the Erez pedestrian crossing through which Palestinian patients seeking medical treatment in Israel are transported. [13] Also in 2008, more than 13,000 Palestinian patients and their escorts have crossed into Israel for medical treatment. [14]
In addition to firing rockets and mortars, terrorists have smuggled vast amounts of war materiel into Gaza. Israeli Minister for Public Security Avi Dichter said that in July 2008 alone, more than four tons of explosives were smuggled into Gaza via tunnels dug by terrorists under the Egypt-Gaza border. There are 400-600 smuggling tunnels running along Gaza’s Philadelphi Corridor, the strip of land spanning the border between Egypt and Gaza. [15]
Iran, one of the chief sponsors of Palestinian terrorism, provides approximately $20 million to $30 million to Hamas annually and also trains Hamas operatives in Iran and Syria. [16] Approximately 950 Hamas terrorists have been trained in building rockets and bombs, tactical warfare, weapons operation and sniper tactics by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, a special division of Iran’s armed forces. [17]
On Nov. 28, 2008, an Iranian-manufactured standard 120mm mortar was fired by a terrorist group in Gaza and hit an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) base inside Israel, wounding eight soldiers, one of whom had his leg amputated as a result. The use of Iranian-made munitions by Palestinian terrorists is an increasingly common phenomenon in the conflict. [18]
Internecine Palestinian fighting during the past two years also has dealt a harsh blow to future prospects for peace, with 616 Palestinians killed in factional fighting from the time that Hamas won Palestinian elections in January 2006 through May 2007. [19] In June 2007, when Hamas seized control of Gaza in a bloody coup against Palestinian Authority President’s Fatah faction, 161 Palestinians were killed and at least 700 wounded. [20]
Iran, the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, gives Hamas $20 million a year,[21] and provided an additional $50 million after Hamas beat Fatah in the 2006 elections. [22] Iran also provided Hamas members with intensive military training in the weeks and months leading up to the group's takeover of the Gaza Strip. [23]
In September, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, “Iran considered supporting the Palestinians its religious and national duty and would stay beside the Palestinian nation 'until the big victory feast which is the collapse of the Zionist regime (Israel).” [24]

Iran’s top leaders continue to threaten the West – particularly the United States.

In addition to Iran-backed Hamas’ terrorist activities, the group also conducts extensive media operations. It runs the Al-Aqsa TV station which has promoted terrorist activity and incites hatred of Jews and Israelis. On a children’s program called Tomorrow’s Pioneers which has featured numerous life-size costumed animals, the character called Assoud – a rabbit, stated, “I, Assoud, will finish off the Jews and eat them, Allah willing.” The show is but one example of the incitement to hatred and violence promoted by the TV channel. [25]

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Graph: Rockets and Mortars Fired From Gaza June – December 2008

Footnotes:
[1] Harel, Amos, Ravid, Barak, “Palestinians: At least 205 dead, over 200 hurt in IAF Gaza strikes,” Haaretz, Dec. 27, 2008, After IAF strike kills 225 in Gaza, Hamas chief vows third Intifada has come - Haaretz - Israel News
[2] Ben David, Calev, Abu Ramadan, Saud, “Israeli Air Raids in Gaza Kill as Many as 200 People,” Bloomberg, Dec. 27, 2008, Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

[3] Curiel, Ilana, “Man killed in rocket strike,” YnetNews, Dec. 27, 2008, Man killed in rocket strike - Israel News, Ynetnews; Harel, Amos, Ravid, Barak and Issacharoff, Avi, Haaretz Correspondents and News Agencies, “Army readies for 'limited' Gaza action as 22 mortars hit Negev,” Haaretz, Dec. 26, 2008, Army readies for 'limited' Gaza action as 22 mortars hit Negev - Haaretz - Israel News

[4] “Gaza-Hamas Fact Sheet,” Embassy of Israel, Dec. 22, 2008; "Hamas fires at Israel, threatening hopes of renewed ceasefire," The Telegraph (UK), Dec. 24, 2008, Hamas fires at Israel, threatening hopes of renewed ceasefire - Telegraph

[5] Adayat, Fadi and Harel, Amos, Haaretz Correspondents, and Haaretz Service, “One Israeli killed, 4 hurt as Palestinian rockets hit Negev home,” Haaretz, Dec. 27, 2008, One Israeli killed, 4 hurt as Palestinian rockets hit Negev home - Haaretz - Israel News

[6] “PM Olmert Interviewed on Al Arabiya,” Prime Minister’s Office, Dec. 25, 2008, PM Olmert Interviewed on Al Arabiya

[7] Harel, Amos, Ravid, Barak and Issacharoff, Avi, Haaretz Correspondents and News Agencies, “Army readies for 'limited' Gaza action as 22 mortars hit Negev,” Haaretz, Dec. 26, 2008, Army readies for 'limited' Gaza action as 22 mortars hit Negev - Haaretz - Israel News

[8] Data relayed to The Israel Project by IDF Spokesman’s Division, Dec 18, 2008; “Hamas fires at Israel, threatening hopes of renewed ceasefire,” The Telegraph (UK), Dec. 24, 2008, Hamas fires at Israel, threatening hopes of renewed ceasefire - Telegraph; “Rocket barrage from Gaza as Hamas ends six-month calm,” Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs Web site, Dec. 24, 2008, Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs

[9] Data relayed to The Israel Project by IDF Spokesman’s Division, Dec 18, 2008; Berger, Ronny and Gelkopf, Marc, “The Impact of the Ongoing Traumatic Stress Conditions on Sderot,” Natal, The Israel Trauma Center for Victims of Terror and War in cooperation with Dr. Mina Tzemach, Director, Dachaf Public Opinion Research Institute, Oct. 2007

[10] Harel, Amos; Issacharoff, Avi; Haaretz Service and Reuters, "Two soldiers killed, one missing in raid on IDF post," Haaretz, June 25, 2006, 404 Not Found

[11] Ravid, Barak, "Obama in Sderot: Nuclear Iran would be game-changing," Haaretz, July 23, 2008, Obama, in Sderot: World must prevent Iran from obtaining nukes - Haaretz - Israel News

[12] "Obama says nuclear Iran a "grave threat," Reuters, July 23, 2008, Obama says nuclear Iran a grave threat | Politics | Reuters

[13] “Main terrorist attacks carried out at Gaza Strip crossings,” Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, June 4, 2008, Main terrorist attacks carried out at Gaza Strip crossings

[14] Data relayed to The Israel Project by the IDF’s Coordinator for Government Activities in the Territories, Dec. 10, 2008

[15] “News of the Israeli-Palestinian Confrontation July 22-29, 2008,” Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, News of the Israeli-Palestinian Confrontation; “Hamas has lately regulated the flourishing tunnel industry in the Gaza Strip,” Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Oct. 28, 2008, http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/ct_e009.pdf

[16] Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, Hamas - Council on Foreign Relations, retrieved July 7, 2008

[17] “Senior Hamas operative figure tells London Sunday Times’ Gaza Strip correspondent about Iranian and Syria military aid, detailing the training received by hundreds of Hamas terrorist operatives and describing the transmission to Hamas of Iranian technical know-how for the manufacture of rockets and IED,” The Terrorist and Intelligence Information Center at the Israel Intelligence Heritage and Commemoration Center, March 17, 2008, retrieved July 7, 2008, Senior Hamas operative figure tells London Sunday Times’ Gaza Strip correspondent about Iranian and Syria military aid; Colvin, Marie, “Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel,” The Times, March 9, 2008, Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel - Times Online

[18] “Violation of calm: Rockets strike Sderot, Ashkelon, western Negev,” Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Dec. 17, 2008, http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism...Rockets_strike_Sderot_Ashkelon_western_Negev_
16-Nov-2008.htm; Harel, Amos, “Gaza mortar shells injure eight soldiers, one loses leg,” Haaretz, Nov. 29, 2008, Gaza mortar shells injure eight soldiers, one loses leg - Haaretz - Israel News

[19] “Over 600 Palestinians killed in internal clashes since 2006,” YnetNews, June 6, 2007, Over 600 Palestinians killed in internal clashes since 2006 - Israel News, Ynetnews

[20] “Black Pages in the Absence of Justice: Report on Bloody Fighting in the Gaza Strip from 7 to 14 June 2007,” Palestine Centre for Human Rights, October 2007, http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/pdf_spec/Gaza Conflict - Eng 9 october..pdf

[21] Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, Hamas - Council on Foreign Relations, accessed July 2, 2007

[22] Iran pledges $50m Palestinian aid," BBC News, April 16, 2006, BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran pledges $50m Palestinian aid

[23] Rabinovich, Abraham, "Hamas digs in for war in Gaza," The Australian, March 16, 2007

[24] “Ahmadinejad: Iran will support Hamas until collapse of Israel,” Haaretz, Sept. 13, 2008, Ahmadinejad: Iran will support Hamas until collapse of Israel - Haaretz - Israel News

[25] Kalman, Mathew, “Hamas launches TV Bugs Bunny-lookalike who declares 'I will eat the Jews',” The Daily Mail, Feb. 12, 2008, Hamas launches TV Bugs Bunny-lookalike who declares 'I will eat the Jews' | Mail Online; “Al Aqsa TV,” ADL.org, ADL: Terrorism. Accessed on Dec. 22, 2008

 

[DavidS]

Sunni's bottle rockets:

Qassam rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Chris]

I find your lack of comments at the number of rocket attacks on Israel disturbing.

Two scorpions in a bottle.

 

[DiveCon]

Two scorpions in a bottle.

wrong, as your usual