Israel scared of Palestinian recognition

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    Israel seems very scared of Europe recognising Palestine.

    The UN report (when is it going to be released?) is apparently going to say that Israel boarded the MM to kill

    Report: UN panel rules IDF boarded Marmara 'to kill' - Israel News, Ynetnews

    Israel not keen on apologising to Turkey - will of course bring no one back, but Israel did not want to apologise because of fears of International Lawsuits against her soldiers.

    However on talking with the US looks like she has come round to recognising she must do this in order to rebuild, possibly, her relations with Turkey.

    But look further down and the more important reason seems to be to try and woo European Governments to not vote for recognition of a Palestinian State.

    Barak: We must apologize for flotilla errors - Israel News, Ynetnews

    I know Tinmore is not in favour of this move by the Palestinians and looks like they still have work to do to get themselves working together, but this looks to me like earlier programs I saw were probably right and if Palestine becomes recognised then she will be able bit by bit to use the force of the law to at last get justice.
     
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    It is pretty hard not to be worried when your next door neighbor has in their constitution that they want to wipe you out and then others in the area say go ahead. The real answer is that most of the Middle East do like either of them and hope that they will wipe each other out in a way. How many countries have offered the Palestinians any help. The answer is NONE.
     
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    That broken record isn't really true. Hamas has said it will accept 67 borders so everyone is in for the same thing.

    The Palestinians, the people, need to get their act together and get proper elections and get things moving.

    They can use the rule of law - just the law. Once Palestine is recognised as a State, Israel by her own legal systems will be unable to ignore this.

    and plenty of people care for the Palestinians, maybe not where you live but plenty of people want a just solution where the Palestinians may at last have dignity and human rights. Probably more to the point, both France and the UK may well recognise Palestine. I believe this would be a big plus because not only would they provide economic ties, I would imagine they will also watch her back - no I am not suggesting war, nobody will be going to war with Israel.

    .....and do not forget they also have diaspora Palestinians to help them

    The oft repeated US idea of leaving them both to it is not taking responsibility for what the US has already been a part of and the inequalities which are there.

    The rule of law should not frighten anyone with nothing to hide.
     
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    Au contraire, it may as well be fun to observe the EU assuming an open-ended financial responsibility and burden for palistan with its some four million freeloaders in addition to Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece and Ireland, of course. They want it - they own it. Pass the popcorn.
    What else could the turkeystanian "news" be? Evidently, they considered embarassing their ottomaniacal punkass turk, burdened by clinical delusions, like the Chaplin's Hitler, not a good idea, otherwise, they would've added that the report was ready in may, but has been delayed by Erdogan's admirer (and brother-in-diagnosis) Obama, who's been pushing Israel into apologizing to save that little führer's face, of course.
     
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    "That broken record isn't really true. Hamas has said it will accept 67 borders so everyone is in for the same thing."

    An often repeated lie. During the election campaign some Hamas candidates tried to hide their real agenda from the voters with highly qualified statements about them being ready to recognize Israel, but here is he real truth.

     
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    I believe that this as put as any reason for not going for peace is a total red herring and propaganda.

    The thing that is most likely to eventually bring about the end of Israel is the settlements by creating a situation where the only credible justice becomes a one state solution. That is totally the responsibility of Israel, so if anyone is working for the end of Israel it is by default Israel herself.

    Furthermore you must be well aware that Hamas's original charter which I do accept you are not quoting at this time, was a response to this from Netanyahu's own party

    The Politician’s Speech (4) « Ahmed Afzaal’s Weblog

    and if you think that recent such sentiments cannot be found

    http://www.grafing-evangelisch.de/israel/icahd/obstacles_to_peace.pdf

    Israel wants a Palestinian State - I do not think so.

    I have also come across several instances where Netanyahu out of earshot of congress has made it clear he has no intention of allowing a Palestinian State.

    It is completely to be expected that there will be some extremists on both sides who will hate the idea of the others existence, just as there still are some terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland.

    That is an excuse not a reason for no peace.

    Israel is clearly afraid of Palestine getting the support of Europe, though whether a sorry at this late stage for the wilful killing of civilians will be sufficient to pacify remains to be seen.
     
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    The quote from Likud was from 1999, the Hamas Covenant was written in 1988, so once again you post nothing but lies and propaganda. The only conclusion one can draw from this is that you don't believe the facts support your radically anti Israeli positions.
     
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    Hamas never lied. They will not accept Israel's so called right to exist. They have never said they would.
     

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