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Congratulations, you got something right!
And, you pwned yourself, dopey.
Hamas resists Israel's occupation of their land which is something they have the legal right to do.
Hamas has not adopted this as their charter and cannot amend it. They have spoken about it but I do not recall seeing it in the US media.
It was adopted by the founders of Hamas, Yassin, Rantisi and Taha, in August 1988 and has never been amended or disavowed by the Hamas leadership since. It is as much a declaration of the principles and purpose of Hamas as the Declaration of Independence is for the United States. Clearly the leaders of Hamas are not ashamed of what's written in the Charter, so how can you be a supporter of Hamas and yet be ashamed of what it stands for?
Hamas leaders are not of a single mind. They include both fiery radicals who dismiss any suggestion of co-existence with Israel and moderates whose views differ little from those of Abbas, a Fatah leader who is considered a moderate. But over the months and years preceding Januarys elections, the center of gravity within the groups thinking had unmistakably shifted. Senior officials repeatedly signaled that Hamas is open to changing its policy in favor of a long-term peaceful accommodation with Israel; that it is willing to take concrete steps toward this goal, provided that Israel reciprocates; and that it would seriously consider moving even further given the right political circumstances.
On more than one occasion, Hamas chief representative in Lebanon, Usama Hamdan, has outlined a stance toward the conflict with Israel which, according to an ICG report (Enter Hamas, 1/06), many who study Hamas consider [to be] its emerging consensus. In an interim agreement, Hamas and Israel would conclude a comprehensive armistice in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders. After a period of confidence-building, a formal agreement could be concluded. Hamas is clear in terms of [both] the historical solution and an interim solution, Hamdan said. We are ready for both: the borders of 1967, a state, elections and [a peace] agreement after ten to fifteen years of building trust.
Yet in almost every case, the U.S. media failed to broadcast these signals. For instance, four months before the elections, a moderate Hamas candidate representing Nablus, Mohammed Ghazal, told Reuters (9/21/05) that the group could change its 1988 charter calling for Israels destruction and that it was open to negotiating with Israel. The charter is not the Koran, Ghazal said. Historically, we believe all Palestine belongs to Palestinians, but were talking now about reality, about political solutions. . . . The realities are different. If Israel reached a stage where it felt able to talk to Hamas, Ghazal said, I dont think there will be a problem of negotiating with the Israelis. (Less than a week after Ghazals comments, Israeli soldiers raided his apartment and arrested himAP, 9/27/05.)
Nixed Signals
There but not reported.
Congratulations, you got something right!
And, you pwned yourself, dopey.
Hamas resists Israel's occupation of their land which is something they have the legal right to do.
It was adopted by the founders of Hamas, Yassin, Rantisi and Taha, in August 1988 and has never been amended or disavowed by the Hamas leadership since. It is as much a declaration of the principles and purpose of Hamas as the Declaration of Independence is for the United States. Clearly the leaders of Hamas are not ashamed of what's written in the Charter, so how can you be a supporter of Hamas and yet be ashamed of what it stands for?
Hamas leaders are not of a single mind. They include both fiery radicals who dismiss any suggestion of co-existence with Israel and moderates whose views differ little from those of Abbas, a Fatah leader who is considered a moderate. But over the months and years preceding Januarys elections, the center of gravity within the groups thinking had unmistakably shifted. Senior officials repeatedly signaled that Hamas is open to changing its policy in favor of a long-term peaceful accommodation with Israel; that it is willing to take concrete steps toward this goal, provided that Israel reciprocates; and that it would seriously consider moving even further given the right political circumstances.
On more than one occasion, Hamas chief representative in Lebanon, Usama Hamdan, has outlined a stance toward the conflict with Israel which, according to an ICG report (Enter Hamas, 1/06), many who study Hamas consider [to be] its emerging consensus. In an interim agreement, Hamas and Israel would conclude a comprehensive armistice in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders. After a period of confidence-building, a formal agreement could be concluded. Hamas is clear in terms of [both] the historical solution and an interim solution, Hamdan said. We are ready for both: the borders of 1967, a state, elections and [a peace] agreement after ten to fifteen years of building trust.
Yet in almost every case, the U.S. media failed to broadcast these signals. For instance, four months before the elections, a moderate Hamas candidate representing Nablus, Mohammed Ghazal, told Reuters (9/21/05) that the group could change its 1988 charter calling for Israels destruction and that it was open to negotiating with Israel. The charter is not the Koran, Ghazal said. Historically, we believe all Palestine belongs to Palestinians, but were talking now about reality, about political solutions. . . . The realities are different. If Israel reached a stage where it felt able to talk to Hamas, Ghazal said, I dont think there will be a problem of negotiating with the Israelis. (Less than a week after Ghazals comments, Israeli soldiers raided his apartment and arrested himAP, 9/27/05.)
Nixed Signals
There but not reported.
It is all right there to see in the tea leaves, huh? While there are certainly dissenters within Hamas - those Hamas members the Dubai police claimed participated in the assassination of Mabhouh, for example - the fact is that the Hamas political leadership, which is based in Damascus and headed by Meshaal, has never indicated any change in the principles or purposes of Hamas since the Charter was adopted by its founders in August 1988.
While Ghazal, who does not try to dismiss the Charter as Israeli propaganda as you have, says the Charter could be changed, it hasn't been changed, so occassional comments by this or that Hamas member notwithstanding, there is no reason to think the Hamas leadership considers the Charter less relevant today than it was in August 1988 or that the leadership is more open today to a peaceful two state solution as a final status settlement with Israel than it was in 1988.
If the Hamas leadership had something new to say, it would simply say it and not require people to hunt and search for hints and signals as to what its intentions might be.
And, you pwned yourself, dopey.
Hamas resists Israel's occupation of their land which is something they have the legal right to do.
Gaza is not a sovereign Pallie state, nor, is Hamas even a signatory to Conventions governing occupation. Gaza, thus, cannot be occupied.
Indeed, Hamas is in flagrant violation of international law in militarily targeting Israeli civilians. Hamas has no legal rights.
Thus, you are, again, proven a sad, ignorant dimwit.
The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israels existence, security and national needs
Congratulations, you got something right!
And, you pwned yourself, dopey.
Hamas resists Israel's occupation of their land which is something they have the legal right to do.
Israel's cheerleaders repeat the same excuses over and over - that Israel will not recognize Hamas because Hamas refuses to recognize Israel and had a Charter calling for the destruction of the Jewish state.
Just for kicks, let us have a look at the Likud Charter (Likud of course being the current ruling party of the Israeli government):
The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israels existence, security and national needs
So then, the Likud Charter clearly refuses to recognize Palestine and refuses to accept a sovereign Palestinian state.
Glass houses....
The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates fro various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.
Israel's cheerleaders repeat the same excuses over and over - that Israel will not recognize Hamas because Hamas refuses to recognize Israel and had a Charter calling for the destruction of the Jewish state.
Just for kicks, let us have a look at the Likud Charter (Likud of course being the current ruling party of the Israeli government):
The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israels existence, security and national needs
So then, the Likud Charter clearly refuses to recognize Palestine and refuses to accept a sovereign Palestinian state.
Glass houses....
The Likud Charter does not speak for the Israeli Parliament. And, Bibi has gone on record as being agreeable to a Pallie state. It was Bibi who handed Hebron over to the Pallie trash.
Furthermore, Arabs, for most of history did not recognize "Palestine" It was southern Syria.
Historian Yehoshua Porath...
The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates fro various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.
Now, even YOU know.
Thank you for yet another revealing example of the Zio double standard.
The so-called Hamas "charter" (with the dubious claim of its authority or control over actual Hamas party behavior or policy already having been discussed) does not "speak" for the Palestinian Legislative Council either.
Hamas leaders have also gone on record as being willing to recognize the Israeli state in return for Israel's recognition of the Palestinian state.
As for Hebron being "handed over" to the Palestinians.....
In fact, Hebron has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967, and squatted on by some of Israel's most extremist "settlers" since 1972. About 700 of these fanatics - many of them members of the Kach and Kahanist terror organizations - behave like a criminal gang, regularly vandalizing Palestinian homes, businesses and croplands; cutting Palestinian electricity and water lines; and attacking Palestinian schoolchildren...all while under the watchful protection of several thousand Israeli soldiers.
In fact, rather than "return" the city, Netanyahu "officially" divided Hebron in 1997 into 2 parts, shutting off the heart of the downtown business district for the use of Israel's "settlers." The 100,000 Palestinian residents who live in "H1" are prevented from entering the downtown area - even though they owned the businesses there, and even though 99.7% of the city's population is Palestinian. The 40,000 Palestinian residents who haven't yet been driven out of the Israeli-controlled "H2" sector are under constant harrassment by Israel's settler-thugs, who are heavily armed and are permitted (even encouraged?) to rampage through the area with impunity.
In fact, Hebron has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967, and squatted on by some of Israel's most extremist "settlers" since 1972.
Yehoshua Porath specializes in the history of Arab nationalism.
The so-called Hamas "charter" (with the dubious claim of its authority or control over actual Hamas party behavior or policy already having been discussed) does not "speak" for the Palestinian Legislative Council either.
Now, you're suggesting the Hamas Charter doesn't even exist?
PWNED, again.
Lie.
The most Hamas will extend to Israel is a hudna, a temporary truce. And, Hamas will not recognize Israel as a JEWISH state, because, it is against the Quran and Hadith to do so.
"Hudna in Islamic law is equivalent to 'international treaty' in modern terminology. Its object is to suspend the legal effects of hostilities and to provide the prerequisite conditions of peace between Muslims and non-Muslims, without the latter's territory becoming part of dar al-Islam.'"
Pallies control Hebron.
Considering Hebron is ancestral Jewish land, it cannot be "occupied" by Jews.
Pallies are nothing more than Arab camel herders who invaded in the 7th century, when Jews had been living there for centuries.
In fact, rather than "return" the city, Netanyahu "officially" divided Hebron in 1997 into 2 parts, shutting off the heart of the downtown business district for the use of Israel's "settlers." The 100,000 Palestinian residents who live in "H1" are prevented from entering the downtown area - even though they owned the businesses there, and even though 99.7% of the city's population is Palestinian. The 40,000 Palestinian residents who haven't yet been driven out of the Israeli-controlled "H2" sector are under constant harrassment by Israel's settler-thugs, who are heavily armed and are permitted (even encouraged?) to rampage through the area with impunity.
Except, Palestinians do not exist, thus, your pitiful historical charade is done. And, so, too, are you done. Get on your camel and leave.
Arab American Joseph Farah...
Palestinian people do not exist
You are PWNED.
Pallies are nothing more than Arab camel herders
Go back to Arabia, Habib!
Get on your camel and leave.
OK. And here's an Israeli Jewish scholar who says the Jewish people are an "invention":
Shlomo Sand: Inventing An Invention
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/999386.html
Given your lack of knowledge of Arab history in not knowing Jordan occupied the West Bank for 20 years until 1967, should you really be delving into Jewish history, and fabricated history written by a fraud?
Or is this actually you?
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Jews have an ancestral connection with Judea and Samaria. Pallies are from Arabia.
Pallie Scum Go Home!
Or is this actually you?
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Jews have an ancestral connection with Judea and Samaria. Pallies are from Arabia.
Pallie Scum Go Home!
which began when Moses came along with a bunch of jews and killed off the original inhabitants of the land much like you continue to do today! Truly, there is nothing new under the jewish sun.
go back to egypt you fucking Hiburu.
Jews have an ancestral connection with Judea and Samaria. Pallies are from Arabia.
Pallie Scum Go Home!
which began when Moses came along with a bunch of jews and killed off the original inhabitants of the land much like you continue to do today! Truly, there is nothing new under the jewish sun.
go back to egypt you fucking Hiburu.
Stoner, you and your genetics are embarrassing.
which began when Moses came along with a bunch of jews and killed off the original inhabitants of the land much like you continue to do today! Truly, there is nothing new under the jewish sun.
go back to egypt you fucking Hiburu.
Stoner, you and your genetics are embarrassing.
and you are a broken record. deal with it, jew boy.
Stoner, you and your genetics are embarrassing.
and you are a broken record. deal with it, jew boy.
I have an unbroken record of demolishing every post from you, stoner. You're so ignorant, why do you even post, except, to vent your hatred of Jews who are more successful than you and your inferior genetics? When will you ever learn, white trash?
