Israel blocks USA student from entering.

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ rylah, et al,

In matters such as these connections, Federal Authorities walk softly with a deliberate consideration (the Constitution and the intent of today's law) with the facts and the "actual" threat.

When does public security out weight that interest?

(COMMENT)

The US is not a nation that particularly pursues people or organizations that hold extreme and enthusiastic (but lawful) anti-Government
positions. The US usually wants to either a covert or overt act undertaken in furtherance of a sympathy for an idealized victim (Arab Palestinians) agenda and imminent attack BEFORE they take a police action.

But these organizations are generally on the "recruitment and logistics" end (personnel for induction and materials) of the hostile programs, the discovery of waypoints and transport connection for 'explosives or other lethal devices,' as well as small arms and light weapons (SALW) interdictions in the context of preventing armed extremist objectives.

Included the reasoning of your question is that in order for these organizations to be of any real threat, they must be able to finance and communication with the portals to the extremist and asymmetric activities. In this context, it might be more lucrative to allow them to carry on normal operations for the purpose of conducting 31 USC 312 and Financial intelligence (FININT) as a complement to the more traditional human and communications intelligence (HUMINT and COMINT). One example of this is tracking the activities of Radicalized Islamic Followers establishing their own real and for-profit Internet Service Provider (ISP) for the purpose of supporting clandestine communications and shielded banking systems.

Bottom line is that there are all sorts of ways some of these organizations may be allowed to continue operation.
→or involved in some sort of "direct support" (finance and networking) in the furtherance of some extremist activity. This is a much more advanced and sophisticated set of counter-terrorism exploitation measures (offensive, not defensive). It can be, for example, a 31 USC 312 [Financial intelligence (FININT)] compliment to prevent and counteract the financing of extremist activities, → or the detection and exploitation of the communications networks used by extremist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ rylah, et al,

In matters such as these connections, Federal Authorities walk softly with a deliberate consideration (the Constitution and the intent of today's law) with the facts and the "actual" threat.

When does public security out weight that interest?

(COMMENT)

The US is not a nation that particularly pursues people or organizations that hold extreme and enthusiastic (but lawful) anti-Government
positions. The US usually wants to either a covert or overt act undertaken in furtherance of a sympathy for an idealized victim (Arab Palestinians) agenda and imminent attack BEFORE they take a police action.

But these organizations are generally on the "recruitment and logistics" end (personnel for induction and materials) of the hostile programs, the discovery of waypoints and transport connection for 'explosives or other lethal devices,' as well as small arms and light weapons (SALW) interdictions in the context of preventing armed extremist objectives.

Included the reasoning of your question is that in order for these organizations to be of any real threat, they must be able to finance and communication with the portals to the extremist and asymmetric activities. In this context, it might be more lucrative to allow them to carry on normal operations for the purpose of conducting 31 USC 312 and Financial intelligence (FININT) as a complement to the more traditional human and communications intelligence (HUMINT and COMINT). One example of this is tracking the activities of Radicalized Islamic Followers establishing their own real and for-profit Internet Service Provider (ISP) for the purpose of supporting clandestine communications and shielded banking systems.

Bottom line is that there are all sorts of ways some of these organizations may be allowed to continue operation.
→or involved in some sort of "direct support" (finance and networking) in the furtherance of some extremist activity. This is a much more advanced and sophisticated set of counter-terrorism exploitation measures (offensive, not defensive). It can be, for example, a 31 USC 312 [Financial intelligence (FININT)] compliment to prevent and counteract the financing of extremist activities, → or the detection and exploitation of the communications networks used by extremist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

If incitement to hate crime is not enough a threat,
if organizations that look to undermine American security can exist until an imminent attack takes place, then what's the objective of all the intelligence activities?

I don't know how it looks in action in the US, but from here it looks like the schools oversees are not safe for Jews to express their views anymore, neither safe physically.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ rylah, et al,

Well, let there be no mistake...

if organizations that look to undermine American security can exist until an imminent attack takes place, then what's the objective of all the intelligence activities?

(COMMENT)

IF Federal Authorities detect actionable intelligence on a specific threat, and that any organization took even one step towards an eminent threat, THEN Federal Authorities will be swift to intercede. The Federal Authorities will roll-up the participants and put the Habeas Grabis on any one involved.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ rylah, et al,

Well, let there be no mistake...

if organizations that look to undermine American security can exist until an imminent attack takes place, then what's the objective of all the intelligence activities?

(COMMENT)

IF Federal Authorities detect actionable intelligence on a specific threat, and that any organization took even one step towards an eminent threat, THEN Federal Authorities will be swift to intercede. The Federal Authorities will roll-up the participants and put the Habeas Grabis on any one involved.

Most Respectfully,
R

I can understand the need to keep extreme groups on small fire and at display to allow themselves to lose the public appeal in concrete borders of activity.However when a an organization systematically targets a minority, and is extensively documented as a main cause in hate crimes in a wide range of states, it should be dealt with accordingly.


Are KKK demonstrations allowed in US schools?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The people actually conducting the visa waiver negotiations between the two countries do not wish to comment about their work, but a source involved in it told "Globes," "As is known, in order for Israel to be accepted to the visa waiver program, it must meet the requirements of US law. This requires complying with several standards, including the signing of bilateral agreements. At the instruction of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, regular contacts are taking place between parties in the Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Justice, Israel Police, and the Population and Immigration Authority and the relevant parties on the US side.

"In view of the importance of the matter, Shaked, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Hovotely, and the legal advisor of Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit are personally involved in the contacts taking place. Thanks to the work carried out in recent years, Israel has made significant progress towards meeting the US parameters, but a great deal of work is left to be done before the processes are completed."

The State Department spokesperson emphasized that one of the bones of contention in the negotiations is treatment of US citizens of Arab origin at Israel's entry ports.

"In general, the US administration requires that every US citizen receive the same treatment upon arrival in foreign countries, and benefit from unrestricted freedom of movement, regardless of their ethnic affiliation and country of origin," she said.

"Specifically, the administration in Washington continues to be concerned about the unequal treatments given to US Muslims at entry points and checkpoints (at roadblocks in the West Bank, R.D.). We regularly raise the issue of equal treatment of all US citizens at entry points to Israel with the authorities in Israel."

Israel's efforts to join the visa waiver program began in 2005, and the complaints about unfair treatment of US citizens of Arab origin have been an insuperable obstacle ever since. In 2013, two bills were proposed in the Senate and House of Representatives with the same name: the US-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2013."

US State Department: Israel won't get visa waiver so fast

 

[rylah]

The people actually conducting the visa waiver negotiations between the two countries do not wish to comment about their work, but a source involved in it told "Globes," "As is known, in order for Israel to be accepted to the visa waiver program, it must meet the requirements of US law. This requires complying with several standards, including the signing of bilateral agreements. At the instruction of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, regular contacts are taking place between parties in the Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Justice, Israel Police, and the Population and Immigration Authority and the relevant parties on the US side.

"In view of the importance of the matter, Shaked, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Hovotely, and the legal advisor of Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit are personally involved in the contacts taking place. Thanks to the work carried out in recent years, Israel has made significant progress towards meeting the US parameters, but a great deal of work is left to be done before the processes are completed."

The State Department spokesperson emphasized that one of the bones of contention in the negotiations is treatment of US citizens of Arab origin at Israel's entry ports.

"In general, the US administration requires that every US citizen receive the same treatment upon arrival in foreign countries, and benefit from unrestricted freedom of movement, regardless of their ethnic affiliation and country of origin," she said.

"Specifically, the administration in Washington continues to be concerned about the unequal treatments given to US Muslims at entry points and checkpoints (at roadblocks in the West Bank, R.D.). We regularly raise the issue of equal treatment of all US citizens at entry points to Israel with the authorities in Israel."

Israel's efforts to join the visa waiver program began in 2005, and the complaints about unfair treatment of US citizens of Arab origin have been an insuperable obstacle ever since. In 2013, two bills were proposed in the Senate and House of Representatives with the same name: the US-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2013."

US State Department: Israel won't get visa waiver so fast

Just another example of how BDS-holes are a bunch of easily hackable consciousness lumps working on behalf of Israel:

• Orange was the most expensive competitor on Israeli market - Gone with BDS and left the whole infrastructure for new Israeli companies, resulting in drastic increase in quality vs pricing ratio for the average Israeli consumer.
• Viola - a foreign contractor that monopolized the Israeli garbage disposal-recycling industry, came under the pressure of BDS left the Israeli market for the benefit of local companies, upgrading the status of garbage workers back to employers of state (municipal workers) and left a supply of new trucks, resulting in a drop of water prices and local market diversity.

Since the establishment of BDS, Israel has 3-led it's foreign exchange, and was instrumental in defining laws against antisemitism.

Cancel the visa waiver to the US, make my day.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ rylah, et al,

In matters such as these connections, Federal Authorities walk softly with a deliberate consideration (the Constitution and the intent of today's law) with the facts and the "actual" threat.

When does public security out weight that interest?

(COMMENT)

The US is not a nation that particularly pursues people or organizations that hold extreme and enthusiastic (but lawful) anti-Government
positions. The US usually wants to either a covert or overt act undertaken in furtherance of a sympathy for an idealized victim (Arab Palestinians) agenda and imminent attack BEFORE they take a police action.

But these organizations are generally on the "recruitment and logistics" end (personnel for induction and materials) of the hostile programs, the discovery of waypoints and transport connection for 'explosives or other lethal devices,' as well as small arms and light weapons (SALW) interdictions in the context of preventing armed extremist objectives.

Included the reasoning of your question is that in order for these organizations to be of any real threat, they must be able to finance and communication with the portals to the extremist and asymmetric activities. In this context, it might be more lucrative to allow them to carry on normal operations for the purpose of conducting 31 USC 312 and Financial intelligence (FININT) as a complement to the more traditional human and communications intelligence (HUMINT and COMINT). One example of this is tracking the activities of Radicalized Islamic Followers establishing their own real and for-profit Internet Service Provider (ISP) for the purpose of supporting clandestine communications and shielded banking systems.

Bottom line is that there are all sorts of ways some of these organizations may be allowed to continue operation.
→or involved in some sort of "direct support" (finance and networking) in the furtherance of some extremist activity. This is a much more advanced and sophisticated set of counter-terrorism exploitation measures (offensive, not defensive). It can be, for example, a 31 USC 312 [Financial intelligence (FININT)] compliment to prevent and counteract the financing of extremist activities, → or the detection and exploitation of the communications networks used by extremist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but none of the Palestinian advocacy groups in the US are affiliated with any so called "terrorist" groups. They are all non partisan. There is no there there.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Today’s news that the Israeli Supreme Court is allowing Lara Alqasem of Florida to come into Israel to study for her Master’s at the Hebrew University is great news for the 22-year-old Palestinian American student who has spent two weeks detained at Ben Gurion Airport, even though she had a visa.

Alqasem is free — and her representatives Wasserman Schultz, Rubio, and Nelson can take no credit

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Unless you are part of a JTTF, I don't know how you can jump out there and say that. While CAIR is not currently on the "Designated Terrorist" List, that does not mean it is NOT connected.

OK, but none of the Palestinian advocacy groups in the US are affiliated with any so-called "terrorist" groups. They are all non partisan. There is no there there.

(COMMENT)

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), has been designated by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) as a "sponsor" of terrorism (financial support). We shall see...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israel blocks USA student from entering.
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Unless you are part of a JTTF, I don't know how you can jump out there and say that. While CAIR is not currently on the "Designated Terrorist" List, that does not mean it is NOT connected.

OK, but none of the Palestinian advocacy groups in the US are affiliated with any so-called "terrorist" groups. They are all non partisan. There is no there there.

(COMMENT)

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), has been designated by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) as a "sponsor" of terrorism (financial support). We shall see...

Most Respectfully,
R

While CAIR is not currently on the "Designated Terrorist"

The juvenile name callers in our government have not gotten around to that yet.