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(COMMENT)The land law alone is an Apartheid law, within Israel. The citizenship law is another. Both separate the rights of Jews from the rights of non-Jews.
But I am just what was demonstrated earlier in the thread with links and examples.
Thanks to RoccoR for the links to the Statutes and Convention however RoccoR omits or overlooks clause c in Article II which states:
"Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association"
Zionist Israel has a system of legalized discrimination WITHIN Israel proper, just looking at two areas as examples,
Land Laws: for example, "Israeli Arabs" are severely limited in the ability to own land and this limits them to living in either the cities or on less than 5% of the rural portion of the Zionist state. Some Israeli Laws that legalize ethnic/racial discrimination include: Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949), Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951), Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960), Israel Lands Administration Law (1960), Planning And Building Law (1965), Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Immigration & Citizenship Laws: I can cite the Law of Return for Jewish people, which gives them virtually automatic citizenship on application, but I'm sure everyone knows about that in this forum. More importantly, however, all inhabitants of Zionist Israel are required to carry "identification certificates" on which their "nationality" and religion are listed. This information has then been used to practice discrimination against certificate holders if their religion is listed as "Muslim", or their nationality is listed as "Arab". sample discriminatory Laws that apply here include: Registration Of Inhabitants Law (1949), Law Of Return (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Nationality Law (1952), Entry Into Israel (1952), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954), Population Registry Law (1965), Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982), Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003) and Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. As far as I'm aware all the above laws are all still in force and there are also other areas where discrimination on racial and/or ethnic grounds exists within a legalized framework; for example there are: Rules and Regulations regarding the allocation of State Benefits; Rules,Regulations and Laws involving Participation in Government; Institutionalised and routine violations of many Civil Rights; Routine harassment that can be construed as racist in nature.
There is no doubt in my mind, that Zionist Israel is guilty of the Crime of Apartheid as defined in both the Statutes and the Convention,
Respectfully,
Challenger.
Only one problem with your claims, the arabs themselves dictate what is put on their identification certificates. Just as they will go out of their way to make sure their cars are registered in a west bank district because their number plates are a distinctive colour
montelatici, et al,
You are trying to make a connections in order to make the law fit your agenda.
(OBSERVATION)montelatici, et al,
A non-Jew is not a separate race. The "apartheid laws" are about the discriminatory law pertaining to separate racial groups.
(COMMENT)-Within Israel, there is no discriminatory laws that lend advantage or penalize Jewish citizens of varying races.
We are talking about non-Jews Rocco, get with the program.
Of course the granting of citizenship or immigration rights based on being Jewish lends advantage to those who are Jewish.
Having laws that prevent non-Jews from buying/leasing land reserved to only Jews is also discriminatory.
Quit tap dancing Rocco, you are making a fool of yourself.
There are no laws in Israel that lend advantage or penalize the difference between a Caucasian Jew and a Black Jew. If there were, then that would be the defining characteristic that could lead to "apartheid." But, in fact, I find no distinction between the laws in Israel that distinguish the difference between races.
The laws that pertain the Jewish are the same for each race --- Black or Caucasian. The laws that pertain to non-Jews are the same, Black or Caucasian. The "Apartheid Laws" are in place to prevent the discrimination against "a racial group or groups from participation" in otherwise lawful activities enjoyed by all citizens. (Non-Jew is not a race.)
Read the law.
Most Respectfully,
R
You should do your homework before posting nonsense. You continue demonstrating your ignorance of the subject matter Rocco. As they say ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
The operative definition of "racial identity" is provided in the 1965 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (which Israel signed), on which the apartheid convention explicitly draws.
"racial discrimination" is defined as "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Today there are African Jews, Japanese Jews, even Eskimo Jews. (By Tzvi Freeman)
(COMMENT)
Why is it important to understand this? Because of the lengths to which anti-Israeli opponents have gone to press the crime of "Apartheid."
- [Jews] are not an ethnic group, the Jews of Morrocco would not recognize the ethnicity of the Jews of Russia.
- [Jews] are not a culture, the Jews of Yemen would not recognize the culture of the Jews from Mexico.
- The Jews of Yemen, Morrocco, Mexico, and Russia are all Jews because they share the same religion [belief]. (By sfederow)
To this point, we've discussed the implications of the the Rome Statutes and the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. 30 November 1973. Now we are working on the distinction made by the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD).
As our friend "montelatici" points out, the 1965 CERD stipulates several factors:
Thus, the CERD that our friend "montelatici" points out has no real application to the issue of "Apartheid" in Israel. If being a Jew is the criteria for favorable consideration to some aspect of life in Israel, then it can favorably consider Jews in each and every category for which the CERD protects; because there are Jews across the entire spectrum.
- Color:
- Jewishness is color immaterial...
- There are both Jews and non-Jews of the same color.
- There are Black Jews and there are Black non-Jews.
- There are Caucasian Jews and there are Caucasian non-Jews.
- Descent:
- Jewishness is not based on a specific derivation from an ancestral group, or lineage...
- The Jewish Community in Kobe and Toyko Japan are probably not in the same linage as descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel.
- National or Ethnic origin:
- The North African Jews of Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan and Egypt are of a different ethnic origin than the South African Jews, who are mostly Ashkenazi Jews descended from pre-and post-Holocaust immigrant Lithuanian Jews.
- Race:
- Jewishness transcends all four Race Groups:
- Caucasian
- Mongoloid
- Negroid
- Austroloid
Jewishness is NOT based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin. Nor does race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin disqualify a person from being Jewish.
Most Respectfully,
R
Wow, did Monti actually post that he is smarter than you? What an immature little shit ?
That's an extremely ironic comment coming from one of the dumbest pro Palestinians on USMB.
(COMMENT)Um, you realise you've just blown out of the water the concept of Jews as a "race/nation" redeeming it's ancestral lands in Palestine, that undepins Zionist myth-history and their justification for their own "national" state. if "Jews" aren't a "nation", it follows they have no right to a "national home".
The land law alone is an Apartheid law, within Israel. The citizenship law is another. Both separate the rights of Jews from the rights of non-Jews.
But I am just what was demonstrated earlier in the thread with links and examples.
Rocco, Rocco, quit playing games. The laws favor Jews. That is Apartheid. Race is not the only component.
The term "racial discrimination" is defined in the 1965 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (to which Israel is a signatory) as "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."
So please just shut up. You are full of crap.
Thanks to RoccoR for the links to the Statutes and Convention however RoccoR omits or overlooks clause c in Article II which states:
"Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association"
Zionist Israel has a system of legalized discrimination WITHIN Israel proper, just looking at two areas as examples,
Land Laws: for example, "Israeli Arabs" are severely limited in the ability to own land and this limits them to living in either the cities or on less than 5% of the rural portion of the Zionist state. Some Israeli Laws that legalize ethnic/racial discrimination include: Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949), Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951), Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960), Israel Lands Administration Law (1960), Planning And Building Law (1965), Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Immigration & Citizenship Laws: I can cite the Law of Return for Jewish people, which gives them virtually automatic citizenship on application, but I'm sure everyone knows about that in this forum. More importantly, however, all inhabitants of Zionist Israel are required to carry "identification certificates" on which their "nationality" and religion are listed. This information has then been used to practice discrimination against certificate holders if their religion is listed as "Muslim", or their nationality is listed as "Arab". sample discriminatory Laws that apply here include: Registration Of Inhabitants Law (1949), Law Of Return (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Nationality Law (1952), Entry Into Israel (1952), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954), Population Registry Law (1965), Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982), Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003) and Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. As far as I'm aware all the above laws are all still in force and there are also other areas where discrimination on racial and/or ethnic grounds exists within a legalized framework; for example there are: Rules and Regulations regarding the allocation of State Benefits; Rules,Regulations and Laws involving Participation in Government; Institutionalised and routine violations of many Civil Rights; Routine harassment that can be construed as racist in nature.
There is no doubt in my mind, that Zionist Israel is guilty of the Crime of Apartheid as defined in both the Statutes and the Convention,
Respectfully,
Challenger.
Only one problem with your claims, the arabs themselves dictate what is put on their identification certificates. Just as they will go out of their way to make sure their cars are registered in a west bank district because their number plates are a distinctive colour
Prove it.
montelatici, et al,
You are trying to make a connections in order to make the law fit your agenda.
(OBSERVATION)montelatici, et al,
A non-Jew is not a separate race. The "apartheid laws" are about the discriminatory law pertaining to separate racial groups.
(COMMENT)-Within Israel, there is no discriminatory laws that lend advantage or penalize Jewish citizens of varying races.
We are talking about non-Jews Rocco, get with the program.
Of course the granting of citizenship or immigration rights based on being Jewish lends advantage to those who are Jewish.
Having laws that prevent non-Jews from buying/leasing land reserved to only Jews is also discriminatory.
Quit tap dancing Rocco, you are making a fool of yourself.
There are no laws in Israel that lend advantage or penalize the difference between a Caucasian Jew and a Black Jew. If there were, then that would be the defining characteristic that could lead to "apartheid." But, in fact, I find no distinction between the laws in Israel that distinguish the difference between races.
The laws that pertain the Jewish are the same for each race --- Black or Caucasian. The laws that pertain to non-Jews are the same, Black or Caucasian. The "Apartheid Laws" are in place to prevent the discrimination against "a racial group or groups from participation" in otherwise lawful activities enjoyed by all citizens. (Non-Jew is not a race.)
Read the law.
Most Respectfully,
R
You should do your homework before posting nonsense. You continue demonstrating your ignorance of the subject matter Rocco. As they say ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
The operative definition of "racial identity" is provided in the 1965 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (which Israel signed), on which the apartheid convention explicitly draws.
"racial discrimination" is defined as "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Today there are African Jews, Japanese Jews, even Eskimo Jews. (By Tzvi Freeman)
(COMMENT)
Why is it important to understand this? Because of the lengths to which anti-Israeli opponents have gone to press the crime of "Apartheid."
- [Jews] are not an ethnic group, the Jews of Morrocco would not recognize the ethnicity of the Jews of Russia.
- [Jews] are not a culture, the Jews of Yemen would not recognize the culture of the Jews from Mexico.
- The Jews of Yemen, Morrocco, Mexico, and Russia are all Jews because they share the same religion [belief]. (By sfederow)
To this point, we've discussed the implications of the the Rome Statutes and the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. 30 November 1973. Now we are working on the distinction made by the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD).
As our friend "montelatici" points out, the 1965 CERD stipulates several factors:
Thus, the CERD that our friend "montelatici" points out has no real application to the issue of "Apartheid" in Israel. If being a Jew is the criteria for favorable consideration to some aspect of life in Israel, then it can favorably consider Jews in each and every category for which the CERD protects; because there are Jews across the entire spectrum.
- Color:
- Jewishness is color immaterial...
- There are both Jews and non-Jews of the same color.
- There are Black Jews and there are Black non-Jews.
- There are Caucasian Jews and there are Caucasian non-Jews.
- Descent:
- Jewishness is not based on a specific derivation from an ancestral group, or lineage...
- The Jewish Community in Kobe and Toyko Japan are probably not in the same linage as descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel.
- National or Ethnic origin:
- The North African Jews of Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan and Egypt are of a different ethnic origin than the South African Jews, who are mostly Ashkenazi Jews descended from pre-and post-Holocaust immigrant Lithuanian Jews.
- Race:
- Jewishness transcends all four Race Groups:
- Caucasian
- Mongoloid
- Negroid
- Austroloid
Jewishness is NOT based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin. Nor does race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin disqualify a person from being Jewish.
Most Respectfully,
R
Um, you realise you've just blown out of the water the concept of Jews as a "race/nation" redeeming it's ancestral lands in Palestine, that undepins Zionist myth-history and their justification for their own "national" state. if "Jews" aren't a "nation", it follows they have no right to a "national home".
montelatici, et al,
I disagree.
(COMMENT)The land law alone is an Apartheid law, within Israel. The citizenship law is another. Both separate the rights of Jews from the rights of non-Jews.
But I am just what was demonstrated earlier in the thread with links and examples.
The law related to the JNF-KKL, is a protection for those that made an investment; and is control by laws of the Knesset (Parliamentary Law) which is a sectarian body; hardly apartheid in configuration. There are a number of countries in the world that have laws governing state property and protected lands.
The Nationality Laws, which control the granting of citizenship (residence, naturalization, descent and marriage) and, the Right of Return for Jewish diaspora, are similarly bound by the Basic Law and the will of the Knesset.
Neither of these sets of laws have any racial dominance motives since they are race, ethnic background, color, or nationality immaterial. One protects the contributors to the JFN-KKL and one is typical of any number of countries that have citizenship laws enacted by a Parliamentary system.
Just because the Arab-Palestinian cannot somehow twist these laws in their favor, doesn't make them "apartheid" in nature.
Most Respectfully,
R
Thanks to RoccoR for the links to the Statutes and Convention however RoccoR omits or overlooks clause c in Article II which states:
"Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association"
Zionist Israel has a system of legalized discrimination WITHIN Israel proper, just looking at two areas as examples,
Land Laws: for example, "Israeli Arabs" are severely limited in the ability to own land and this limits them to living in either the cities or on less than 5% of the rural portion of the Zionist state. Some Israeli Laws that legalize ethnic/racial discrimination include: Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949), Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951), Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960), Israel Lands Administration Law (1960), Planning And Building Law (1965), Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Immigration & Citizenship Laws: I can cite the Law of Return for Jewish people, which gives them virtually automatic citizenship on application, but I'm sure everyone knows about that in this forum. More importantly, however, all inhabitants of Zionist Israel are required to carry "identification certificates" on which their "nationality" and religion are listed. This information has then been used to practice discrimination against certificate holders if their religion is listed as "Muslim", or their nationality is listed as "Arab". sample discriminatory Laws that apply here include: Registration Of Inhabitants Law (1949), Law Of Return (1950), Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Nationality Law (1952), Entry Into Israel (1952), Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954), Population Registry Law (1965), Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982), Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003) and Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. As far as I'm aware all the above laws are all still in force and there are also other areas where discrimination on racial and/or ethnic grounds exists within a legalized framework; for example there are: Rules and Regulations regarding the allocation of State Benefits; Rules,Regulations and Laws involving Participation in Government; Institutionalised and routine violations of many Civil Rights; Routine harassment that can be construed as racist in nature.
There is no doubt in my mind, that Zionist Israel is guilty of the Crime of Apartheid as defined in both the Statutes and the Convention,
Respectfully,
Challenger.
Only one problem with your claims, the arabs themselves dictate what is put on their identification certificates. Just as they will go out of their way to make sure their cars are registered in a west bank district because their number plates are a distinctive colour
Prove it.
Identity document - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Israeli law requires every permanent resident above the age of 16, whether a citizen or not, to carry an identification card called te'udat zehut (Hebrew: תעודת זהות) in Hebrew or biţāqat huwīya (بطاقة هوية) in Arabic.
The card is designed in a bilingual form, printed in Hebrew and Arabic, however, the personal data is presented in Hebrew by default and may be presented in Arabic as well if the owner decides so. The card must be presented to an official on duty (e.g. a policeman) upon request, but if the resident is unable to do this, one may contact the relevant authority within five days to avoid a penalty.
