Isn't it funny....

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by acludem

As for the Democratic party needing American deaths to win, it's the Democratic party that has a plan to try and stop the killing in Iraq, Bush has NO plan, NO exit strategy, and NO clue what the hell he's doing.

acludem

And what is that plan?

 

[acludem]

Here's a link to the Kerry plan...it makes good sense to me.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4771823/

acludem

 

[DKSuddeth]

Here it is, from the most intelligent Lib on this board....kerry's plan sucks. while it may save american lives in the short run, it screws us all in the end.

 

[acludem]

How DK? How does allowing the U.N. to step in take some control in Iraq so we can get our soldiers out screw us over? What plan has Bush presented? The June deadline is a joke. There is no way in hell whatever government we have set up will be ready to take control by then.

Here's what Bush's main guy in Iraq has to say:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4667742/

Even if you don't like the Kerry plan at least he has one.

acludem

Kerry in 2004!

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by acludem
How DK? How does allowing the U.N. to step in take some control in Iraq so we can get our soldiers out screw us over? What plan has Bush presented? The June deadline is a joke. There is no way in hell whatever government we have set up will be ready to take control by then.

Here's what Bush's main guy in Iraq has to say:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4667742/

Even if you don't like the Kerry plan at least he has one.

acludem

Kerry in 2004!

The June deadline is a joke because the Iraqi security forces have already shown themselves unable to perform the task. They are unwilling to use force to provide security for their own nation because they are not prepared to fight their own. On top of that, I haven't seen a conflict yet where the UN stood its ground. The first sign of violent unrest, the iraqi forces will be unable to 'fight' their own, and the UN will leave the country begging an armed service to come in and stabilize the country. I don't know about you, but I'm sure our armed forces are sick of mobilizing for Iraq, I'm sure they don't want to do it 3 times in 14 years.

 

[insein]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
The June deadline is a joke because the Iraqi security forces have already shown themselves unable to perform the task. They are unwilling to use force to provide security for their own nation because they are not prepared to fight their own. On top of that, I haven't seen a conflict yet where the UN stood its ground. The first sign of violent unrest, the iraqi forces will be unable to 'fight' their own, and the UN will leave the country begging an armed service to come in and stabilize the country. I don't know about you, but I'm sure our armed forces are sick of mobilizing for Iraq, I'm sure they don't want to do it 3 times in 14 years.

Agreed. We're there and despite your cluelessness ACLU, Bush has a plan. His plan is to hand over the country to the Iraqis. The date June 30th as he said is a goal but no longer a deadline if you were paying attention to what Bush said in his address the other night instead of how he said it. We will be there as long as it takes for IRaq to become a self governing nation and not a minute longer. That my simple minded friend is the plan.

As for the UN, look at what they've done in Kosovo after we've left from a conflict that had nothing to do with national security? It was merely a peacekeeping operation to prevent a genocide. We stabilized the situation as best we could and then left it to the UN.

More violence continues even 5 years after the fighting has ended.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0404/S00183.htm

Members of the UN peace keeping force that are American are being killed.
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=439762004

Milosovic still isnt convicted of anything.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1194243,00.html

So how do we expect them to handle something far more vital to our national security in Iraq?

 

[acludem]

Handing over the government isn't his plan...it's his political goal. He has no real plan for rebuilding Iraq, no plan to get our troops out in a timely fashion, and has had no plan from the beginning. The June 30th deadline is ridiculous. Iraq is still a massive war zone (thanks in large part to our arrogance) and there is no way the Iraqi government that exists now is equipped or ready to handle this situation. We are in nation-building mode and it's going to be very, very hard to try and create a nation when there is so much animosity between different Muslim sects and ethnic groups in Iraq.

acludem

 

[AtlantaWalter]

"The man did see us through most of WW2 and did it very well I might add." [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't you mean, he GOT us into WW2 in a useless attempt to save the British empire and its' colonial shareholdings.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by AtlantaWalter
"The man did see us through most of WW2 and did it very well I might add."

Don't you mean, he GOT us into WW2 in a useless attempt to save the British empire and its' colonial shareholdings.

is comprehension one of your weak points?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by acludem
Handing over the government isn't his plan...it's his political goal. He has no real plan for rebuilding Iraq, no plan to get our troops out in a timely fashion, and has had no plan from the beginning. The June 30th deadline is ridiculous. Iraq is still a massive war zone (thanks in large part to our arrogance) and there is no way the Iraqi government that exists now is equipped or ready to handle this situation. We are in nation-building mode and it's going to be very, very hard to try and create a nation when there is so much animosity between different Muslim sects and ethnic groups in Iraq.

acludem

Check this out:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2003/110403p.htm

'The Plan'
November 5, 2003

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War

THE DEMOCRATS' new method of opposing the war on terrorism while pretending not to oppose the war on terrorism is to keep demanding that Bush produce a "plan." Wesley Clark recently complained that Bush had put American troops in harm's way, "without a plan." Of course, Clark's "plan" would have been to create a quagmire, just like in Bosnia.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said the difference in how he would have prosecuted the war in Iraq is: "I would have planned." Yes, the invasion of Iraq was the usual unplanned, spur-of-the-minute thing that took 14 months.

Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., noted for the record that when he voted for war with Iraq, "I said at the time that it was critical for us to have a plan. ... This president has no plan of any kind that I can see." Maybe it's that Beatlemania mop-top that's blocking Edwards' view.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn. – the one Democratic presidential candidate too conservative for Barbra Streisand – said that President Bush gave the American people "a price tag, not a plan." He said that "we in Congress must demand a plan." You know, like that incredibly detailed plan the Democrats have in place to spend $400 billion buying prescription drugs for elderly millionaires.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said: "The administration had a plan to fight the war, but it had no plan to win the peace." Kennedy's idea of "a plan" consists of choosing a designated driver before heading out for the evening.

Interviewing Vice President Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press" about a month ago, Tim Russert echoed the theme, asking: "What is our plan for Iraq? How long will the 140,000 American soldiers be there? How many international troops will join them? And how much is this going to cost?" When will we be there, Daddy? Can I go to the bathroom? Are we there yet?

The same questions were asked of FDR over and over again by the American people after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. "How much will this cost?" "My husband's a sailor – how long will he be gone?" "What's your exit strategy, you warmonger?" Wait – no. My mistake. That didn't happen.

The Democrats' incessant demand for a "plan" tends to suggest there is something called "The Plan," which would magically prevent bad things from ever happening – especially something as totally unexpected as violence in the Middle East. Violence in the Middle East constantly comes as a bolt out of the blue to liberals.

Bush said deposing Saddam Hussein and building a democracy in Iraq was an essential part of the war on terrorism. He did not say that invading Iraq would instantly end all Muslim violence and rainy days that make liberals blue. We're at war with Islamic lunatics. They enjoy blowing people up. What further insights do liberals have to impart about this war?

A war is not as predictable as, say, a George Clooney movie (although generally more entertaining). Historian Stephen Ambrose described Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's genius as a soldier, noting that "he often said that in preparing for battle, plans were essential, but that once the battle was joined, plans were useless." Transforming a blood-soaked police state dotted with mass graves and rape rooms into a self-governing republic might take slightly longer than this week's makeover on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."

This is not the first time an evil tyrant was deposed only for bloody elements of his regime to remain. For example, it's been nearly five months since Howell Raines was removed as editor of the New York Times. No quagmire there! What is Bill Keller's "plan" to turn the New York Times around, and how long will it take?

The U.S. military has had considerably more success in turning Iraq around than liberals have had in turning the ghettos around with their 40-year "War on Poverty." So far, fewer troops have been killed by hostile fire since the end of major combat in Iraq than civilians were murdered in Washington, D.C., last year (239 deaths in Iraq compared to 262 murders in D.C.). How many years has it been since we declared the end of major U.S. combat operations against Marion Barry's regime? How long before we just give up and pull out of that hellish quagmire known as Washington, D.C.?

The Democrats' urgent need for an "exit strategy" apparently first arose sometime after 1993, when Bill Clinton sent all those U.S. soldiers to Bosnia – who are still there. The Democrats' conception of a "plan" is like the liberal fantasy that there's a room somewhere full of unlimited amounts of "free" money that we could just give to teachers and hospitals and poor people and AIDS sufferers and the homeless if only the bad, greedy Republicans would give us the key to that wonderful room. Republicans should claim the "plan" is in that room. In a lockbox.

It's interesting that after we've finally gotten liberals to give up on seven decades of trying to plan an economy, now they want to plan a war. Extra-credit question for the class: Comparing a peacetime economy with a war, which do you think is more likely to shoot back at the planners and require subsequent readjustments? No, no, not the usual hands from the eager YAFers in the front row. Are there any liberals in the back rows who want to take a stab at answering this one? Paul Krugman?

Needless to say, the Democrats have no actual plan of their own, unless "surrender" counts as a plan. They just enjoy complaining about every bombing, every attack from Muslim terrorists, every mishap.

Back in the 1870s, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman told a group of graduating cadets: "There are many of you here who think that war is all glory. Well, war is all hell." We didn't start it, but we're going to win it.

 

[acludem]

Ann Coulter is about as reliable as a French car.

acludem

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by acludem
Here's a link to the Kerry plan...it makes good sense to me.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4771823/

acludem

That's a plan? Where's the specifics? "Oh we'll just hand control over to th UN"........

Have some more KoolAde:cof:

 

[no1tovote4]

Evidently this happens on all the sites. Democrats call the Republicans "Repugs" and other neat names. DemocRATS is a fond one for the GOP ringers. The Libertarians like to use Demopublicans. It is all pretty normal.

Now about the "exit strategy". Bush has the same as Kerry, stabilize, help elect a government than get out. Dont be deliberately obtuse.

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Here it is, from the most intelligent Lib on this board....kerry's plan sucks. while it may save american lives in the short run, it screws us all in the end.

There ARE SOME intellegent commonsesne libs! Hey man you are all right with me.

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
is comprehension one of your weak points?

YES!

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Check this out:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2003/110403p.htm

'The Plan'
November 5, 2003

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War

THE DEMOCRATS' new method of opposing the war on terrorism while pretending not to oppose the war on terrorism is to keep demanding that Bush produce a "plan." Wesley Clark recently complained that Bush had put American troops in harm's way, "without a plan." Of course, Clark's "plan" would have been to create a quagmire, just like in Bosnia.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said the difference in how he would have prosecuted the war in Iraq is: "I would have planned." Yes, the invasion of Iraq was the usual unplanned, spur-of-the-minute thing that took 14 months.

Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., noted for the record that when he voted for war with Iraq, "I said at the time that it was critical for us to have a plan. ... This president has no plan of any kind that I can see." Maybe it's that Beatlemania mop-top that's blocking Edwards' view.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn. – the one Democratic presidential candidate too conservative for Barbra Streisand – said that President Bush gave the American people "a price tag, not a plan." He said that "we in Congress must demand a plan." You know, like that incredibly detailed plan the Democrats have in place to spend $400 billion buying prescription drugs for elderly millionaires.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said: "The administration had a plan to fight the war, but it had no plan to win the peace." Kennedy's idea of "a plan" consists of choosing a designated driver before heading out for the evening.

Interviewing Vice President Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press" about a month ago, Tim Russert echoed the theme, asking: "What is our plan for Iraq? How long will the 140,000 American soldiers be there? How many international troops will join them? And how much is this going to cost?" When will we be there, Daddy? Can I go to the bathroom? Are we there yet?

The same questions were asked of FDR over and over again by the American people after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. "How much will this cost?" "My husband's a sailor – how long will he be gone?" "What's your exit strategy, you warmonger?" Wait – no. My mistake. That didn't happen.

The Democrats' incessant demand for a "plan" tends to suggest there is something called "The Plan," which would magically prevent bad things from ever happening – especially something as totally unexpected as violence in the Middle East. Violence in the Middle East constantly comes as a bolt out of the blue to liberals.

Bush said deposing Saddam Hussein and building a democracy in Iraq was an essential part of the war on terrorism. He did not say that invading Iraq would instantly end all Muslim violence and rainy days that make liberals blue. We're at war with Islamic lunatics. They enjoy blowing people up. What further insights do liberals have to impart about this war?

A war is not as predictable as, say, a George Clooney movie (although generally more entertaining). Historian Stephen Ambrose described Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's genius as a soldier, noting that "he often said that in preparing for battle, plans were essential, but that once the battle was joined, plans were useless." Transforming a blood-soaked police state dotted with mass graves and rape rooms into a self-governing republic might take slightly longer than this week's makeover on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."

This is not the first time an evil tyrant was deposed only for bloody elements of his regime to remain. For example, it's been nearly five months since Howell Raines was removed as editor of the New York Times. No quagmire there! What is Bill Keller's "plan" to turn the New York Times around, and how long will it take?

The U.S. military has had considerably more success in turning Iraq around than liberals have had in turning the ghettos around with their 40-year "War on Poverty." So far, fewer troops have been killed by hostile fire since the end of major combat in Iraq than civilians were murdered in Washington, D.C., last year (239 deaths in Iraq compared to 262 murders in D.C.). How many years has it been since we declared the end of major U.S. combat operations against Marion Barry's regime? How long before we just give up and pull out of that hellish quagmire known as Washington, D.C.?

The Democrats' urgent need for an "exit strategy" apparently first arose sometime after 1993, when Bill Clinton sent all those U.S. soldiers to Bosnia – who are still there. The Democrats' conception of a "plan" is like the liberal fantasy that there's a room somewhere full of unlimited amounts of "free" money that we could just give to teachers and hospitals and poor people and AIDS sufferers and the homeless if only the bad, greedy Republicans would give us the key to that wonderful room. Republicans should claim the "plan" is in that room. In a lockbox.

It's interesting that after we've finally gotten liberals to give up on seven decades of trying to plan an economy, now they want to plan a war. Extra-credit question for the class: Comparing a peacetime economy with a war, which do you think is more likely to shoot back at the planners and require subsequent readjustments? No, no, not the usual hands from the eager YAFers in the front row. Are there any liberals in the back rows who want to take a stab at answering this one? Paul Krugman?

Needless to say, the Democrats have no actual plan of their own, unless "surrender" counts as a plan. They just enjoy complaining about every bombing, every attack from Muslim terrorists, every mishap.

Back in the 1870s, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman told a group of graduating cadets: "There are many of you here who think that war is all glory. Well, war is all hell." We didn't start it, but we're going to win it.

THAT WOMAN IS A GENIUS!

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by acludem
Ann Coulter is about as reliable as a French car.

acludem

She would DESTROY you or any of your other liberal wacko friends in a debate.

CRUSADER FOR TRUTH:
1. Ann Coulter, stuningly beautiful
2. Michael Reagan, son of one of our greatest Presidents
3. Michael Savage
4. Sean Hannity, whose book I'm reading, it's great and an eyeopener.
5. Bill O'Reiley
6. Rush Limbaugh

God bless America and our good President!