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    I've only been here about a week or so.

    Anyone interested in discussing Islam?

    I am not a fan of this sorry excuse for a religion.
     
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    One of the most interesting things is that there's lots of evidence that Mohammed took a previously "existing" moon god from the pantheistic religion of the time and made him over into allah.

    It's also interesting that there parts of the quran were later retracted and mohammed claimed they were made under the influence of satan. LOL. Some of these were when Mohammed started talking about the Allah's daughters, (actually relatives of the moon god he was trying to make over).
     
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    Muhammad was a smart guy. He saw this new religion called "Chistianity" and he thought " I can do that", and he did.

    Muhammad created the perfect religion. It allows a Muslim man to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whoever he wants, as long as he can say it's in defense of Islam. Not Allah, or God, but Islam itself. And everything is in defense of Islam.

    It's quite the racket.
     
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    Read some history before you display your ignorance.

    The West as we know it wouldn't be here were it not for Islam.

    Now prove me wrong, you know you want to.

    Oh and on religions, I don't care either way, religion is organised superstition so as you Americans say I don't have a dog in this hunt.
     
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    But yet all major scientific innovations have come from the west. Islamic countries are stuck in the 7th century. They did some good things, then they stopped.
     
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    How about you prove your own statements? What do you mean by the West as we know it wouldn't be here? If you're referring to the fact Islam helped "shape" the West by its invasions and wars, then yes they did.
     
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    Fair point. I know I'm generalising but it seems to me that most of the west's scientific innovations came after the Enlightenment, when the iron grip of both the Church and the Establishment (monarchy) began to be loosened.
    The Islamic scholars kept alive the ancient learning, in particular Aristotle (I know you know this, I'm thinking as I type) and it was Aristotle that laid the path for modern science. We know that Aristotle was admired by the Islamic scholars - and of course Aquinas learned of Aristotle from those scholars and, ironically enough, used Aristotle to defeat - intellectually - the ideas of Islam.

    But yes, you are quite right. Somewhere Islam got locked into a mediaeval time warp and I have no idea what happened to do that. Was it a fundamentalism? I know that Islam had major ideological differences after the death of the Prophet hence the Sunni/Shia split but I also think there were other schisms as well, I simply don't know enough about Islam yet to say I understand how it happened. I do think that the more conservative forms of Islam have won though, in recent years I mean. There was a liberal strain of Islam that tried to modernise but was defeated. Some of that was due to the West in modern times (I'm thinking of Nasser in Egypt for example). I am also wondering why the west didn't help the more liberal Islamic thinkers. Different thread I suppose.
     
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    Well here's one. Science would not exist as we know it if it weren't for the Islamic scholars who protected the ancient knowledge. I've already indicated that in the discussion with RWA but if you wish I can enlarge upon it if you're at all interested.
     
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    I can tell you the answer. The New World Order totalitarians recognized islam could be a potent vehicle for suppression, and thus aided and abetted fundamentalism in those nations. The Islamists are the noahide army of god which will eventually be used to kill all the christians.
     
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    Please do elaborate. I'd really like to know how the religion of Islam effected scientific minds in the middle east, and the west.
     

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