Islam vs. Christianity

So basically, the koran is a jew book. Didn't know that. Makes no sense. But then again, neither does wrapping dirty laundry around your head when it's about 110 degrees outside.
 
Unlike Christianity, Islam actually resembles a continuation of the Jewish faith and the the will of the god of Abraham
You are 100% correct!!

The Quran is actually a book mainly about the Jews and Judiasm

That is the rub in the middle east. Unfortunately the United States does not honor it's own constitution. In supporting the word "Israel" upon that piece of land we as a people are effectively supporting the Zionists sect of the Jewish religion. Had we honored our constitution there would not have been a 9/11. :eusa_whistle:

The word "Israel" ought to be banished back into the synagogues, churches and mosques where it resided for 2000 years. Sadly our President Truman was sa foolish as to write an order of recognition before he knew the name of the state.:cuckoo:
 
christains commit acts of terror....mcveigh, whom yall would love to forget....the biggest domestic act of terrorism....claimed to be a christian....abortion doctors are shot to death in church ....eric rudolph was a big hero....
 
The primary difference between Islam and Judaism is that Islam rejects racism and the notion of a "chosen people." There are significant ethical differences as well. Qur'anic Islam only permits war in response to acts of aggression or persecution. Christianity seems not to permit war at all. Of course, few seem to follow the ultra-pacifist brand of Christianity outlined in the NT, just as relatively few follow the form of Islam described in the Qur'an or Old Testament Judaism.
 
The primary difference between Islam and Judaism is that Islam rejects racism and the notion of a "chosen people."
Could you provide scriptures from the Qu'ran/Koran demonstrating how Islam separates itself from Judaism in this regard? I was under the impression that Kafir were never 'true' equals and even those whio converted were distinct.
 
Christians were informal in their religious practices, prior to persecution by Islam. It wasn't until Muslims began their encroachment that Christianity began to become centralized in Rome and Constantinople. Before that (and continuing, but in small pockets) Christianity was simply a personal religion, with no designated head other than our heavenly Father.

Because it is a personal religion and thus de-centralized, people tend to think of "Catholicism" and "Christianity" as one and the same thing. They aren't. Catholocism lacks the one basic precept that is integral to Christianity...the belief that all that is needed for salvation is grace, and grace comes only from God.

You are still so self-righteous about what constitutes Christianity and what does not. You probably won’t look at all of the different types of Christian denominations and interpretations, but other people might.

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, pray tell us, which one is the true Christian denomination preaching the true gospel and giving true instruction? LOL. Can’t we all just get along?

By the way, there was plenty of persecution under Christianity too - from the Spanish Inquisition to the Salem Witch Trials. Thankfully, God, (assuming that he, she, it, or they exist) will be the ultimate judge - and not you nor those like you.
 
I still want to know how they got Mary, the mother of Jesus, down as the sister of Moses, Miriam. Maybe the names are the same in translation but still, we're talking hundreds of years apart.

Remember, Adam lived for 930 years.

So life expectancy back then was pretty long.
 
Christians were informal in their religious practices, prior to persecution by Islam. It wasn't until Muslims began their encroachment that Christianity began to become centralized in Rome and Constantinople. Before that (and continuing, but in small pockets) Christianity was simply a personal religion, with no designated head other than our heavenly Father.

Because it is a personal religion and thus de-centralized, people tend to think of "Catholicism" and "Christianity" as one and the same thing. They aren't. Catholocism lacks the one basic precept that is integral to Christianity...the belief that all that is needed for salvation is grace, and grace comes only from God.

You are still so self-righteous about what constitutes Christianity and what does not. You probably won’t look at all of the different types of Christian denominations and interpretations, but other people might.

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, pray tell us, which one is the true Christian denomination preaching the true gospel and giving true instruction?

the one that follows the biblical word.

Half of the 'christians' of USMB do not cite the bible as their source of truth, but rather the doctrines of man

Hell, if half of the christians ADMIT to not even basing their beliefs on the bible, what does that tell you about how few, if any, actually do?

LOL. Can’t we all just get along?

Evidently not
 
Could you provide scriptures from the Qu'ran/Koran demonstrating how Islam separates itself from Judaism in this regard?

Pretty direct:
Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death, if you are truthful. But they will never invoke it because of what their hands have sent before. And Allah is Knower of the wrongdoers. - 62:6-7​

Nobility is based on merit rather than heredity:
O mankind, surely We have created you from a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other. Surely the noblest of you with Allah is the most dutiful of you. Surely Allah is Knowing, Aware. - 49:13​

I was under the impression that Kafir were never 'true' equals
Yes, kafiruun are thought to be misguided, but status as a kafir isn't dependent on ethnicity. Non-Muslims in Madinah were even granted equal status when Muhammad and his followers fled there and established a compact between the city's warring factions. It follows that non-Muslims should be treated equally under Islamic law as long as they recognize its authority.

and even those whio converted were distinct.
This isn't the case at all. Keep in mind that virtually all of Muhammad's followers, including the early caliphs, were converts to Islam from heathenism.
 
You are still so self-righteous about what constitutes Christianity and what does not. You probably won’t look at all of the different types of Christian denominations and interpretations, but other people might.

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, pray tell us, which one is the true Christian denomination preaching the true gospel and giving true instruction?

the one that follows the biblical word.

People have different opinions and views on what the Bible says or how to obey the Bible. Let us take the issue of "faith versus works" as a basis for salvation. Can faith, alone, save you? Consider the following passages that may lead one to think that salvation is not by faith alone:

Psalm 62:12
For you render to each one according to his works.

Proverbs 10:16
The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Ezekiel 18:27
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.

Matthew 5:20
Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Matthew 19:17
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 25:41-46
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Luke 10:26-28
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 2:6, 13
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

2 Corinthians 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Philippians 2:12
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

James 2:17
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

James 2:21-25
Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1 Peter 1:17
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.

Revelation 2:23
I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.

Now, consider these passages that may lead one to think that salvation is by faith alone:

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:18, 36
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 16:30-31
Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth.... As it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:20
By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.

Romans 3:28
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?

Romans 4:13
For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:9
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Galatians 2:16
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:11-12
The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

It is no wonder why there are so many different Christian groups.
 
People have different opinions and views on what the Bible says or how to obey the Bible.

Then they are all wrong and your god is a lie or a liar. If there is one god, then he has one word, and his truth can only be read one way, for the events only occurred in one way and there is only one truth.That one and only way is the logical extrapolation and implication of the orders of that god beginning with what what is expressly stated. Any doctrine of man which seeks to change or 'interpret' the word of god flies in the face of god and is o the devil.


The 'problem' you present does not exist. You can be judged by your works because your works are evidence of your ehart. One filled with the holy spirit will, by the nature of the holy spirit, be moved to do good works and keep the word of the LORD. One who is not, weho has a wicked heart, will by their wicked nature be moved to do wiched and ungodly things and will not keep the word of the LORD


Thanks for demonstrating yet again that most xtians don't even know their own religion and can't figure out their own library
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Salvation through grace and salvation through faith are the same thing as true faith and the indwelling of the holy spirit brings grace and grace serves as evidence to the world of faith

It's very simple, really :eusa_whistle:
 
Remember, it's not faith alone that saves you, insomuch as knowing Jesus is god is not enough,. The demons who were cast into the pigs recognized jesus. Faith and acceptance of God and his son is what brings salvation. This will bring THS into your heart, which your grace and good deeds will evidence to the world.


Trust me, I'm a Reverend
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From the Koran:

Sura 2: 85-88
We gave Moses the Book, and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary; Clear signs and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostles with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called imposters, and others ye slay!

They say, "Our hearts are the wrappings which preserve God's Word: we need no more." Nay, God's curse is on them, for their blasphemy: Little is it they believe.

Sura 2: C-47
The people of Moses and the people of Jesus were given Revelations, but alas! They played false with their own lights, and, in their selfishness, made narrow God's universal message. To them it seemed incredible that His light should illuminate Arabia and reform the world. But His ways are wondrous! They are clear to those who have faith.

Indeed, in the very beginning of the Koran, God provides a very sharp rebuke of Christianity as we know it.

There are many Christians on this forum. Can at least one find an adequate response to the Koran?

If you are about to attack the personal integrity of Mohammed, remember that most of the Prophets of the Old Testament were seriously flawed, and King David himself was both an adulterer and a murderer. Christians believe that God works through flawed individuals.

Mohammed was anything but perfect, how is he any different from the prophets in the OT in that regard. You attack David, and he was not a prophet, yet you compare him with Mohammed, why?

Jesus was far more than a prophet, and He was perfect, Mohammed cannot touch Him in that regard.

The Koran was written "about" the real Word of God, and was not the Word of God. The Koran is all lies in that regard. The Koran cannot stand up next to the OT or the NT. God had nothing to do with the writing of the Koran, and He inspired the Bible. The Bible has proven to be the spiritual truth, and nothing has been proven to make it less than that. This is a combination of opinion, and Spiritual reality based on personal experience which can be matched a thousand fold in the world. If God is doing something in the world, it is not creating terrorists. He is creating something far greater. Right now, the majority of true Christians are not being heard, or making themselves into performers to be seen, they are living Godly lives, and through them lives are being transformed. Through Muslims people are terrorized, and the Koran supports that.

So, in conclusion, the Koran doesn't even stand in such a debate as this one. However, God's true followers still love Muslims, and are risking their own lives to tell them the good news of Christ.
 
People have different opinions and views on what the Bible says or how to obey the Bible.

Then they are all wrong and your god is a lie or a liar. If there is one god, then he has one word, and his truth can only be read one way, for the events only occurred in one way and there is only one truth.That one and only way is the logical extrapolation and implication of the orders of that god beginning with what what is expressly stated. Any doctrine of man which seeks to change or 'interpret' the word of god flies in the face of god and is o the devil.


The 'problem' you present does not exist. You can be judged by your works because your works are evidence of your heart. One filled with the holy spirit will, by the nature of the holy spirit, be moved to do good works and keep the word of the LORD. One who is not, weho has a wicked heart, will by their wicked nature be moved to do wiched and ungodly things and will not keep the word of the LORD


It's very simple, really :eusa_whistle:


What if one has faith but does practically nothing? Yes. It is quite simple. Matthew 16:27 say that we will be rewarded based upon our work. Matthew 19:17 says that if you want to enter into life, then you must keep the commandments. 2 Corinthians 5:10 says that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Philippians 2:12 says to work out your salvation. James 2:17 says that faith without works is dead. 1 Peter 1:17 says that the Father judges according to each one's work.
 
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christains commit acts of terror....mcveigh, whom yall would love to forget....the biggest domestic act of terrorism....claimed to be a christian....abortion doctors are shot to death in church ....eric rudolph was a big hero....

However, those are nutballs who each had different reasons for committing the crime. Not an entire religion devoted to committing murder.
 

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