sealadaigh
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what this is actually is pretty ridiculous, and i have no idea how it works, but if this is the approach, i don't like it already.
surely this will prove nothing except that a bright, knowledgeable jewish woman can wipe up the floor with a poor, ignorant, drunk, papist paddy.
here is what you will hit me with to your claim that islam supported hitler...amin al-husseini. perhaps you may be able to find a couple of more islamic leaders who formed minor liasons with the NAZIs.
what i will do is explain that al-husseini is a man who had fought for for arab/palestinian nationalism and against european colonialism since long before hitler rose to power and i will point out further that in al-husseini's "relationship" with hitler was based upon, as stated in his memoirs, the concept that "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" and that, as he conveyed to hitler when they met in 1941, that "'The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies... namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists'.[ it should be noted that "the Jews" he to whom he was referring were the recent european immigrants who were migrating to the region since the balfour letter. i will then suggest you not confuse what you seem to think as some sort of enthsiastic support with a pragmatic indifference.
surely, surely, you don't expect al-husseini, to gasp in horror, say "hitler is killing the jews of europe. we must do everything we caan do to save these poor souls so they can come and steal our land, further displacing us.", do you.
then, i am going to hit you with the vastness of the muslim world, which stretched from west africa through the mideast into asia and parts of eastern europe. very conservatively, at the time of WWII. islam had 500,000,000 adherents, and again, very conservatively. (i am not going to go though all the population demographics at the time, but be assured, an errors in my guesstimates will substantially favour your position}. very generously, the palestinian people numbered 5,000,000 people at the time, or 1% of the islamic people.
after that, i will point out some muslim nations such as morocco, who deied hitler to protect their jewish population or albania, the only european nation to have a higher ewish population after WWII than before.
you of course will provide "proof", in all probability from propaganda sites, that muslims cooperated with hitler. i will ignore them completely because they are, guess what, propaganda sources. when asked, i will provide evidence from mainstream news and history sites.
i will conclude with an analogy saying your interpreting a muslim anti-colonialist leader's meeting with hitler as proof of islamic support of hitler would not be unlike me saying that the christian leader of a christian nation, FDR, meeting on friendly terms with joe stalin at pottsdam is evidence of christian support for stalinist communism.
and again, re our earlier exchanges, WWII was about far, far more than the holocaust of the jews and, in fact, that jews had very little to do with any of it in the grand scheme of things and you should not let your ethnocentricity skew your analysis of history.
surely this will prove nothing except that a bright, knowledgeable jewish woman can wipe up the floor with a poor, ignorant, drunk, papist paddy.
here is what you will hit me with to your claim that islam supported hitler...amin al-husseini. perhaps you may be able to find a couple of more islamic leaders who formed minor liasons with the NAZIs.
what i will do is explain that al-husseini is a man who had fought for for arab/palestinian nationalism and against european colonialism since long before hitler rose to power and i will point out further that in al-husseini's "relationship" with hitler was based upon, as stated in his memoirs, the concept that "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" and that, as he conveyed to hitler when they met in 1941, that "'The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies... namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists'.[ it should be noted that "the Jews" he to whom he was referring were the recent european immigrants who were migrating to the region since the balfour letter. i will then suggest you not confuse what you seem to think as some sort of enthsiastic support with a pragmatic indifference.
surely, surely, you don't expect al-husseini, to gasp in horror, say "hitler is killing the jews of europe. we must do everything we caan do to save these poor souls so they can come and steal our land, further displacing us.", do you.
then, i am going to hit you with the vastness of the muslim world, which stretched from west africa through the mideast into asia and parts of eastern europe. very conservatively, at the time of WWII. islam had 500,000,000 adherents, and again, very conservatively. (i am not going to go though all the population demographics at the time, but be assured, an errors in my guesstimates will substantially favour your position}. very generously, the palestinian people numbered 5,000,000 people at the time, or 1% of the islamic people.
after that, i will point out some muslim nations such as morocco, who deied hitler to protect their jewish population or albania, the only european nation to have a higher ewish population after WWII than before.
you of course will provide "proof", in all probability from propaganda sites, that muslims cooperated with hitler. i will ignore them completely because they are, guess what, propaganda sources. when asked, i will provide evidence from mainstream news and history sites.
i will conclude with an analogy saying your interpreting a muslim anti-colonialist leader's meeting with hitler as proof of islamic support of hitler would not be unlike me saying that the christian leader of a christian nation, FDR, meeting on friendly terms with joe stalin at pottsdam is evidence of christian support for stalinist communism.
and again, re our earlier exchanges, WWII was about far, far more than the holocaust of the jews and, in fact, that jews had very little to do with any of it in the grand scheme of things and you should not let your ethnocentricity skew your analysis of history.
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