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No asshole, I wouldn't. But I would consult with other specialists, and in the case of sending our kids into harms way, asshole, I'd seek the advice of State, CIA, NSA, Military Historians and anyone I trusted as an authority, asshole.
Obama didn't listen to the very groups you mention. He made a political promise and then ignored advice to keep a residual force. History teaches that. Dumb Fuck.
Whose history, asshole? Tell us oh wise one, who did Obama consult and what advice did he receive? Oh, you don't know? Well suprise suprise, an asshole speaking out of his asshole.
How many more of our troops would be dead, suffer TBI or lose their limbs or sight if we continued the fiasco in Iraq? Another 4,500 dead? Get your head out of Chaney's ass.
We kept troops in Germany and Japan. Fact. Go read a book. Dick Nose.
Those were occupations.
So? They kept the peace. Idiot.
Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished". Very clearly he lied!Obama said Iraq was secure. He obviously lied.The reality is there were violent attacks by the hangers on in Germany and Japan when the war ended. A residual force is common sense. The military advised Obama of this fact and he ignored it. He owns this. Now if you don't like being called an idiot, wise up and accept reality. Obama messed up and has blood on his hands.
Here's some reality for you, one by Fox News:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/w...-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0
Billions spent thousands of lives lost US investment in training Iraqi forces thrown into doubt Fox News
Iraq Reconstruction Cost U.S. 60 Billion Left Behind Corruption And Waste
And BTW, we were in the middle of a Great Recession and could no longer afford the nation building begun by the prior administration. Remember, the reality is, Obama inherited a weak economy and two wars, he had no play book to follow for no new POTUS was ever previously handed such a difficult situation since President Lincoln took the oath of office.
You can pretend otherwise, and continue the diatribe against The President, but in doing so you simply look stupid.
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama said Iraq was secure. He obviously lied.
When and where did Obama say that? Provide a link if you can.
Why do you go out of your way and post when you have nothing to post? Are you desperate for attention and don't mind be seen as a clown?I got it wrong when I said Obama, resplendent in his tan but ever-so-empty suit, would send empty boots to be placed on the ground in Iraq.
Turns out that's not the strategy at all!
It really IS a no boots on the ground plan.
Just a hell of a lot of barefoot American troops.
But think of the cuts in the military budget not buying them footwear will allow Him to crow about!
Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished". Very clearly he lied!Obama said Iraq was secure. He obviously lied.Here's some reality for you, one by Fox News:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/w...-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0
Billions spent thousands of lives lost US investment in training Iraqi forces thrown into doubt Fox News
Iraq Reconstruction Cost U.S. 60 Billion Left Behind Corruption And Waste
And BTW, we were in the middle of a Great Recession and could no longer afford the nation building begun by the prior administration. Remember, the reality is, Obama inherited a weak economy and two wars, he had no play book to follow for no new POTUS was ever previously handed such a difficult situation since President Lincoln took the oath of office.
You can pretend otherwise, and continue the diatribe against The President, but in doing so you simply look stupid.
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
Unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
Same reason as 911, maybe?Obama was offered the opportunity to work out a Status of Forces agreement with Iraq...but really didn't want to leave the 10,000 troops that Maliki wanted in place.
You can decide if the reason was to support ISIS or some other reason....
But he could have avoided these barbarians taking over....
Who says so?
General Barbero, on CNN yesterday:
"BLITZER: The president's military plan to dismantle and ultimately destroy the terror group, ISIS, involves sending, at least for now, another 475 U.S. military advisors to Iraq, launching air strikes in Iraq and Syria, arming and training moderate Syrian rebels. Let's discuss. Joining me, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbaro. General, thanks very much for coming in.
LT. GEN. MICHAEL BARBERO, U.S. ARMY, RETIRED: Thank you, Wolf.
BLITZER: I want to get to that. But you were there. You were on active duty in Iraq, 2010, 2011 when they were trying to negotiate that Status of Forces -
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: -- Agreement that would have left a residual force, 5,000 or 10,000 U.S. troops, but you couldn't get immunity from Nuri al Maliki's government. Take us behind the scenes, clarify, who's right, John McCain or Jay Carney, in this debate.
BARBERO: Well, in the summer of 2010, prepared a briefing, I was responsible for Iraqi security forces, and took it to all the Iraqi leaders, Maliki, the other Shia leaders, the Sunnis, the Kurds, and said here is going to be the status of your security forces, what they cannot do, what they will be able to do, when we're schedule to leave. And to a man they said, well, general, you must stay. And my response was, you must make it easy for us. So I think Maliki did not make it easy for us and we did not try hard enough. So it's a -- both views. I think it could have been done though.
BLITZER: Because the U.S. -- the Pentagon position was, 5,000 to 10,000 U.S. troops staying -
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: For an indefinite amount of time.
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: But you wanted immunity from prosecution as part of the status of forces agreement. What happened then because the White House says Nuri al Maliki wouldn't give that immunity to any residual U.S. force.
BARBERO: I think we could have worked it and kept it from going through the parliament. I think we could have - we have immunity today, it didn't go through the parliament. So I think it could have been worked if we had tried harder.
BLITZER: You don't think the administration tried hard enough to get it?
BARBERO: I don't think so.
BLITZER: That's the McCain position, that could have been done but the White House didn't want it to be done. They wanted all U.S. troops.
BARBERO: I don't think we tried hard enough.
BLITZER: You think it was - it was definitely doable.
BARBERO: I think it was. BLITZER: There was another argument that the Pentagon wanted 5,000 to 10,000 U.S. troops to remain.
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: The White House said maybe 1,000 or 2,000 for a year and the Iraqis said well that's not good enough.
BARBERO: Right. No, and -
BLITZER: Was - is that true?
BARBERO: That is true. And we wanted them pulled back on these training sites where we're fielding military equipment to train the Iraqi, not in any kind of combat role at all."
CNN.com - Transcripts
Obama arranged for the field to be left open for ISIS.
You decide why.
When the Iraqis told us they wanted us to leave, we probably should have just told them "fuck you, you didn't ask us to be here in the first place, you can't tell us to leave."
It's our planet, after all. We're exceptional 'n stuff.
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Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished". Very clearly he lied!Obama said Iraq was secure. He obviously lied.Here's some reality for you, one by Fox News:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/w...-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0
Billions spent thousands of lives lost US investment in training Iraqi forces thrown into doubt Fox News
Iraq Reconstruction Cost U.S. 60 Billion Left Behind Corruption And Waste
And BTW, we were in the middle of a Great Recession and could no longer afford the nation building begun by the prior administration. Remember, the reality is, Obama inherited a weak economy and two wars, he had no play book to follow for no new POTUS was ever previously handed such a difficult situation since President Lincoln took the oath of office.
You can pretend otherwise, and continue the diatribe against The President, but in doing so you simply look stupid.
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished". Very clearly he lied!Obama said Iraq was secure. He obviously lied.
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
So you don't Bush even the least bit responsible?
And since when do US military advisers get to make decisions for foreign governments?
Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished". Very clearly he lied!
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
So you don't Bush even the least bit responsible?
And since when do US military advisers get to make decisions for foreign governments?
Obama owns Iraq. He took credit in 2011. You can't take credit for Iraqi success and then blame someone else when it falls apart.
Obama in 2011 8216 We 8217 re Leaving Behind A Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq 8217
That why OP is a massive FAIL/Rubber Room mat'l. Ibentoken or OP won't admit it though. How can someone write this OP w/ a straight face ESPECIALLY after (then) Sen Obama explicitly warned against it.Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
So you don't Bush even the least bit responsible?
And since when do US military advisers get to make decisions for foreign governments?
Obama owns Iraq. He took credit in 2011. You can't take credit for Iraqi success and then blame someone else when it falls apart.
Obama in 2011 8216 We 8217 re Leaving Behind A Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq 8217
Obama was a dumbass for saying "stable and self-reliant". This is the middle east we're talking about, nothing is ever stable over there.
But Obama doesn't own Iraq. ISIS never would have existed in Iraq if Bush hadn't dismantled the Iraqi army after ousting Saddam.
I'll tell you why 
OP is a hack 
trying to score cheap political points.What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income — to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Nope. I study the specs and reports made by experts in the field. I sure don't listen to politicians. The reason we're in this mess is because a politician ignored the advice of the military experts. Dumb Ass.
This is the part where you play dumb, huh. Obama is still ignoring the advice of military experts.Nope. I study the specs and reports made by experts in the field. I sure don't listen to politicians. The reason we're in this mess is because a politician ignored the advice of the military experts. Dumb Ass.
I thought we weren't supposed to blame George Bush anymore?
If you aren't and aware of his 2011 speech on Iraq then Google it.
Obama was offered the opportunity to work out a Status of Forces agreement with Iraq...but really didn't want to leave the 10,000 troops that Maliki wanted in place.
You can decide if the reason was to support ISIS or some other reason....
But he could have avoided these barbarians taking over....
Who says so?
General Barbero, on CNN yesterday:
"BLITZER: The president's military plan to dismantle and ultimately destroy the terror group, ISIS, involves sending, at least for now, another 475 U.S. military advisors to Iraq, launching air strikes in Iraq and Syria, arming and training moderate Syrian rebels. Let's discuss. Joining me, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbaro. General, thanks very much for coming in.
LT. GEN. MICHAEL BARBERO, U.S. ARMY, RETIRED: Thank you, Wolf.
BLITZER: I want to get to that. But you were there. You were on active duty in Iraq, 2010, 2011 when they were trying to negotiate that Status of Forces -
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: -- Agreement that would have left a residual force, 5,000 or 10,000 U.S. troops, but you couldn't get immunity from Nuri al Maliki's government. Take us behind the scenes, clarify, who's right, John McCain or Jay Carney, in this debate.
BARBERO: Well, in the summer of 2010, prepared a briefing, I was responsible for Iraqi security forces, and took it to all the Iraqi leaders, Maliki, the other Shia leaders, the Sunnis, the Kurds, and said here is going to be the status of your security forces, what they cannot do, what they will be able to do, when we're schedule to leave. And to a man they said, well, general, you must stay. And my response was, you must make it easy for us. So I think Maliki did not make it easy for us and we did not try hard enough. So it's a -- both views. I think it could have been done though.
BLITZER: Because the U.S. -- the Pentagon position was, 5,000 to 10,000 U.S. troops staying -
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: For an indefinite amount of time.
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: But you wanted immunity from prosecution as part of the status of forces agreement. What happened then because the White House says Nuri al Maliki wouldn't give that immunity to any residual U.S. force.
BARBERO: I think we could have worked it and kept it from going through the parliament. I think we could have - we have immunity today, it didn't go through the parliament. So I think it could have been worked if we had tried harder.
BLITZER: You don't think the administration tried hard enough to get it?
BARBERO: I don't think so.
BLITZER: That's the McCain position, that could have been done but the White House didn't want it to be done. They wanted all U.S. troops.
BARBERO: I don't think we tried hard enough.
BLITZER: You think it was - it was definitely doable.
BARBERO: I think it was. BLITZER: There was another argument that the Pentagon wanted 5,000 to 10,000 U.S. troops to remain.
BARBERO: Right.
BLITZER: The White House said maybe 1,000 or 2,000 for a year and the Iraqis said well that's not good enough.
BARBERO: Right. No, and -
BLITZER: Was - is that true?
BARBERO: That is true. And we wanted them pulled back on these training sites where we're fielding military equipment to train the Iraqi, not in any kind of combat role at all."
CNN.com - Transcripts
Obama arranged for the field to be left open for ISIS.
You decide why.
Bush never claimed mission accomplished.
No, he did not. The banner did it for him. He did say, Major Combat Operations in Iraq have ended ... and the US and its allies have prevailed.
How many died after his comment, "Major Combat Operations have ended"? Don't play silly games (though I suspect that's the best you can do) and try to nitpick my comments.
How, unless you're willfully ignorant too, read my post above.
Obama is responsible for the current mess because he ignored the advice of military advisors. Sorry
So you don't Bush even the least bit responsible?
And since when do US military advisers get to make decisions for foreign governments?
Obama owns Iraq. He took credit in 2011. You can't take credit for Iraqi success and then blame someone else when it falls apart.
Obama in 2011 8216 We 8217 re Leaving Behind A Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq 8217
Obama was a dumbass for saying "stable and self-reliant". This is the middle east we're talking about, nothing is ever stable over there.
But Obama doesn't own Iraq. ISIS never would have existed in Iraq if Bush hadn't dismantled the Iraqi army after ousting Saddam.
9810997If you aren't and aware of his 2011 speech on Iraq then Google it.
You mean this?
" As I told Prime Minister Maliki, we will continue discussions on how we might help Iraq train and equip its forces -- again, just as we offer training and assistance to countries around the world. After all, there will be some difficult days ahead for Iraq, and the United States will continue to have an interest in an Iraq that is stable, secure and self-reliant. Just as Iraqis have persevered through war, I’m confident that they can build a future worthy of their history as a cradle of civilization."
It rather seems Obama predicted that "After all, there will be some difficult days ahead for Iraq"
Is that why you refused to quote this paragraph yourself? You knew that this is another lie about what Obama said "?
