ISIL very bad, no one else as bad as them - the media

[frigidweirdo]

There are groups more depraved than ISIL - Yahoo News UK

This article asks why ISIL is considered so bad and other groups, they list cartels in places like Mexico, they could probably just have easily used the DRC or other places in the world.

"It is clear that the campaign against ISIL is not driven by the group's relative threat to the US or the scale or inhumane nature of their atrocities. If these were the primary considerations, the public would be far more terrified of, and outraged by, the narcos. "

So why?

Simple, everyone knows the answer here.

ISIL is a threat to oil supplies, oil, oil, oil, oil, OIL, that's what this is about.

Isn't it what anything is about when you read it in the press day after day?

 

[ScienceRocks]

And within your fucked up mind the United states is as bad as the ISIS. You're a traitor and that is a fact frigidweirdo.

Please join the isis and fight for something in your life.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And within your fucked up mind the United states is as bad as the ISIS. You're a traitor and that is a fact frigidweirdo.

Please join the isis and fight for something in your life.

Oh, right. So someone is a traitor to suggest that the US is wasting US soldier's lives on getting cheaper oil? That the US only cares about places which have oil and not places that don't?

Or maybe you're just using the word traitor in order to put people down, to try and shut them up because you don't like to hear the truth, right?

It's a very usual tactic of the right. In fact it's one reason why they like to have a common enemy in the first place, in order to have names they can call those they disagree with.

This is the reason why, after 8 years of democrats and no common enemy to fight again, Bush pushed Islam to be the new common enemy, the reason why he was willing to send 4,000 or so US soldiers to their deaths in Iraq, 10 times this number to get maimed and injured, and for the western world to be far less secure, and oil prices are higher ANYWAY.

I'd say people like Bush and those who support him are the traitors.

How dya like them apples?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ISIS or ISIL it the same group

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

 

[eagle1462010]

U.S. role to decrease as Mexico rsquo s drug-war strategy shifts Nation World The Seattle Times

Just one article. Hundreds more a click away to anyone who wants to see how the United States is involved in helping Mexico fight the drug cartels.............

The OP's article complains about the Narco problem, but doesn't mention the fact that the U.S. is active in fighting the problem in Mexico............

Billions upon Billions in aid have been put into action to fight the Cartels. They receive military training, DEA advisers, drones, Black Hawk Helos, U.S. Satellite usage, spy plane overflights, and many other types of assistance.

5 Major drug Cartel BOSSES have been taken out in the last 7 years..........with U.S. assistance.

The OP IS A FAIL.........Because the fight in Mexico has had U.S. backing for decades.

 

[toxicmedia]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

 

[eagle1462010]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

 

[toxicmedia]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

Exactly...and saving any reversal of that trend...the argument that oil is our only real interest in middle eastern political affairs is harder to make.

As for the Bush years...you can't change the past, and the drug cartels...do we want troops in Mexico? and would Mexico allow that?

 

[eagle1462010]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

Exactly...and saving any reversal of that trend...the argument that oil is our only real interest in middle eastern political affairs is harder to make.

As for the Bush years...you can't change the past, and the drug cartels...do we want troops in Mexico? and would Mexico allow that?

We get most of our oil from Canada anyway, but Global Oil supply and demand is the largest determiner for the price of a barrel. We are not the only users of oil as in cases like China demand for fossil fuels has vastly increased. So OPEC still plays a MAJOR PART in the economies of the rest of the world. It is still in our National interest to protect major oil players due to the economic BLOW BACK as a result of oil production.

Should ISIL get into the Southern Oil fields of Iraq and stop production it will effect the World's prices of oil, just as in Libya which stop exporting oil during the Civil War there......Their production is way way down, but other OPEC players have increased to offset that lower supply.

Mexico wants our help, but only in intel, weapons, tech, and training. They do not want U.S. troops on their soil. Only advisers and shared intel to fight the drug cartels............Many of the political leaders in Mexico are nothing but pawns of the cartels anyway...........as the Cartels will execute leaders who push to fight the drug cartels money...........

Either way, we do support the War on Drugs there, and in Central and South America.............and have been doing so for many decades.

 

[toxicmedia]

Don't you love the anti-oils. They're almost as stupid as warmies. In fact they're one and the same thing very often. They think our world can live without petroleum...but they don't know how. Go live in a cave frigidweirdo, and wipe your ass with bearskins, because that's the state of existence you'd enjoy without petroleum in your life.

Anti-oils? What?

There's a difference between being anti-oil and and being against the US invading and destabilizing the world and security of the world.

I didn't say people shouldn't live without oil, but there's a big difference between living with oil, and going around the world causing problems.

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

Exactly...and saving any reversal of that trend...the argument that oil is our only real interest in middle eastern political affairs is harder to make.

As for the Bush years...you can't change the past, and the drug cartels...do we want troops in Mexico? and would Mexico allow that?

We get most of our oil from Canada anyway, but Global Oil supply and demand is the largest determiner for the price of a barrel. We are not the only users of oil as in cases like China demand for fossil fuels has vastly increased. So OPEC still plays a MAJOR PART in the economies of the rest of the world. It is still in our National interest to protect major oil players due to the economic BLOW BACK as a result of oil production.

Should ISIL get into the Southern Oil fields of Iraq and stop production it will effect the World's prices of oil, just as in Libya which stop exporting oil during the Civil War there......Their production is way way down, but other OPEC players have increased to offset that lower supply.

Mexico wants our help, but only in intel, weapons, tech, and training. They do not want U.S. troops on their soil. Only advisers and shared intel to fight the drug cartels............Many of the political leaders in Mexico are nothing but pawns of the cartels anyway...........as the Cartels will execute leaders who push to fight the drug cartels money...........

Either way, we do support the War on Drugs there, and in Central and South America.............and have been doing so for many decades.

Are potential increased oil prices worth increased military involvement in the middle east?

and

How much of what you just explained about the Mexican dug cartel issue is NOT being done by the current administration?

 

[frigidweirdo]

U.S. role to decrease as Mexico rsquo s drug-war strategy shifts Nation World The Seattle Times

Just one article. Hundreds more a click away to anyone who wants to see how the United States is involved in helping Mexico fight the drug cartels.............

The OP's article complains about the Narco problem, but doesn't mention the fact that the U.S. is active in fighting the problem in Mexico............

Billions upon Billions in aid have been put into action to fight the Cartels. They receive military training, DEA advisers, drones, Black Hawk Helos, U.S. Satellite usage, spy plane overflights, and many other types of assistance.

5 Major drug Cartel BOSSES have been taken out in the last 7 years..........with U.S. assistance.

The OP IS A FAIL.........Because the fight in Mexico has had U.S. backing for decades.

No one is saying the US isn't helping in the fight against drug cartels. This isn't the point.

The point is that the MEDIA isn't that much interested in drug cartels it's news, but it's not massive news.

The point being made is that the two situations are that much different, only one is closer, has been going on longer.

How much does the US spend on targeting cartels and how much on bombing ISIS?

I think you'd find the latter gets more attention, more money etc.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Have you noticed how this latest middle east "crisis" involving ISIS/ISIL hasn't driven up gas prices at the pump?...like every little peep out of that region tended to do in the 00's?

Is it a shift in our reasons for involving ourselves in the region lately? Or is your position worthy of further examination?

Think on it.

I'd say that the higher oil prices are, the harder it is to make a difference in oil prices. But this isn't about whether oil prices increase because one thing happens. The fact is that atrocities, that oil being limited from Iraq, and things like this have been news stories for 11 years now. It's not shocking, it's to be expected and oil prices are likely to play their part.

How else has US policy in the last 13 years made oil prices a bit more stable? Energy production in the US is growing, Libya has been freed from those who would use OPEC to increase oil prices. In 2001 you had 4 countries who were anti-US, pro-OPEC using oil production to raise prices when they felt like it.

Now Libya and Iraq have gone, it's Venezuela (with Chavez dead) and Iran (who have been hit by sanctions). So the US policy of taking down OPEC's power in the last 13 years which is important here.

Is there a shift in the reasons for being there? No, it's all still about oil. The US cannot afford to see Iraq become anti-US, and try to resurrect the policy of reducing production of OPEC to push up prices.

 

[frigidweirdo]

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

And why? Because OPEC has been weakened, there is not the strength there was in 2001 when Chavez said they should reduce production. Saudi Arabia doesn't want to be seen to be going against the US (who would when invasion or sanctions for something else suddenly appears?).

However OPEC are not increasing production because of US shale production. Demand has increased from China massively. Demand for energy sources is higher today than it was in 2001. This is reflected in higher oil prices.

 

[Indofred]

And within your fucked up mind the United states is as bad as the ISIS. You're a traitor and that is a fact frigidweirdo.

Please join the isis and fight for something in your life.

Of course the US isn't as bad as ISIS - it's far worse.
Perhaps you'd like to ask the people of Cambodia, a county you secretly illegally carpet bombed for 10 years.

 

[eagle1462010]

U.S. role to decrease as Mexico rsquo s drug-war strategy shifts Nation World The Seattle Times

Just one article. Hundreds more a click away to anyone who wants to see how the United States is involved in helping Mexico fight the drug cartels.............

The OP's article complains about the Narco problem, but doesn't mention the fact that the U.S. is active in fighting the problem in Mexico............

Billions upon Billions in aid have been put into action to fight the Cartels. They receive military training, DEA advisers, drones, Black Hawk Helos, U.S. Satellite usage, spy plane overflights, and many other types of assistance.

5 Major drug Cartel BOSSES have been taken out in the last 7 years..........with U.S. assistance.

The OP IS A FAIL.........Because the fight in Mexico has had U.S. backing for decades.

No one is saying the US isn't helping in the fight against drug cartels. This isn't the point.

The point is that the MEDIA isn't that much interested in drug cartels it's news, but it's not massive news.

The point being made is that the two situations are that much different, only one is closer, has been going on longer.

How much does the US spend on targeting cartels and how much on bombing ISIS?

I think you'd find the latter gets more attention, more money etc.

Perhaps you need to read the article of the OP again...........As the article is basically saying that we aren't doing anything on the War on Drug Cartels which is false. The Drug War has been going on for many decades..........It's hard to keep it headline news for 40 years straight as we have been fighting this for at least that long...............I was on Anti drug operations in the Navy in the 80's...........

News focuses on ratings, and CURRENT EVENTS.........ISIL ISIS is the new boogy man on the street.......the old boogy man is still there but doesn't ramp up ratings as Americans have become Numb on the Drug War. It's not that Americans aren't aware, but have become disinterested on a problem they have known about since they were kids.

 

[eagle1462010]

OPEC, especially Saudi Arabia has increased the World's Oil supply. The Untied States has increased its production of Oil as well to record levels due to Oil Shale.........Canada has increased it's supply as well.

The Middle east is maintaining increased supply to purposely drive down prices due to the increase of Oil Shale Production in North America.

And why? Because OPEC has been weakened, there is not the strength there was in 2001 when Chavez said they should reduce production. Saudi Arabia doesn't want to be seen to be going against the US (who would when invasion or sanctions for something else suddenly appears?).

However OPEC are not increasing production because of US shale production. Demand has increased from China massively. Demand for energy sources is higher today than it was in 2001. This is reflected in higher oil prices.

They can cut supply and still feed the world oil................I posted increases in production in the world, and also stated that we get most of our oil from Canada anyway...............OPEC is seeing competition.........Capitalism......Not only from our increased production, which is minimal on overall supply, but from GAS PROM competing for sales in China.............They just signed a deal to sell massive amounts of oil to China................and OPEC is increasing supply to actually lower prices to tell China WE ARE CHEAPER..............

It's about who gets to supply the oil and get the money for increased consumption in places like China. So they are simply competing by lowering the prices.

 

[toxicmedia]

Well...

since I'm all about Q&A this morning...

Can we really affect middle eastern stability, or the drug cartel problems?

And can anyone answer that question without spewing unfair anti Bush/Obama talking points?

 

[eagle1462010]

Well...

since I'm all about Q&A this morning...

Can we really affect middle eastern stability, or the drug cartel problems?

And can anyone answer that question without spewing unfair anti Bush/Obama talking points?

Stability on either issue is virtually impossible.

The Drug War has been going on for decades and has proven that as long as there is a demand someone will supply the drugs..........We have laws and arrest drug dealers every day in the country, and it never ends because someone takes their place. Which means that it goes on forever.........

Only when people decide not to use drugs will it end so it will never end.

Syria is in a Civil War........A Civil War only ends when a side finally wins the War.........There are many factions involved.......Syrian Gov't, ISIS, FSA, and the Kurds..........We supply the FSA and the Kurds...........Russia supplies the Syrian Gov't...........Turkey supplies ISIS along with other middle east nations..........

So basically we have a free for all battle going on that has displaced half the population of Syria...........The United States can play a role in who wins in the final equation by supplying the weapons to fight opposing sides..........and by direct military bombing of a side in the equation.........We are in essence trying to help the final winner we want to rule there by direct involvement..............

It's kind of like throwing a bunch of clubs into a ring and letting the people in the ring club each other to death for the final outcome............We just give one side some spikes in the club, while Russia gives their side a club with spikes as well...........It's a Clusterfuck in a Nut shell.