Is Zimbabwe Now a Rogue State?

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    "Is Zimbabwe Now a Rogue State?
    And is it germ warfare when cholera sufferers are forced to cross international boundaries?

    The situation in Zimbabwe has now reached the point where the international community would be entirely justified in using force to put Robert Mugabe under arrest and place him on trial. Why do I say this now?

    Mugabe's crimes were frightful enough before, to be sure. But they were the crimes of an elected government, and it wasn't absolutely clear that they exceeded the threshold at which intervention can be justified or, rather, mandated. Essentially, there are four such criteria. One is genocide, which, according to the signatories of the Genocide Convention (the United States is one), necessitates immediate action either to prevent or to punish the perpetrators. Another is aggression against the sovereignty of neighboring states, including occupation of their territory. A third is hospitality for, or encouragement of, international terrorist groups, and a fourth is violations of the Nonproliferation Treaty or of U.N. resolutions governing weapons of mass destruction.


    Mugabe did kill a lot of people in Matabeleland in the 1980s on punitive expeditions inflicted by special units, trained by North Korea, against an ethnic group not his own. And he has punished recalcitrant voting districts by the indiscriminate denial of food supplies. But this doesn't quite rise to the level of "genocide." His soldiers may at one time have taken part in the opportunist looting of the resources of Congo, but this doesn't exactly qualify as invasion or occupation. Zimbabwe is not a harbor or haven for wanted international terrorists, and it isn't a player in the international WMD black market, either.


    The situation has altered recently, however, and an examination of what has altered may help us to clarify when a state crosses the boundary from "failed" to "rogue." So great is the misery of the Zimbabwean people that acute diseases like cholera are now rife. And such is their degree of desperation that they have started crossing the frontier en masse, chiefly in the direction of South Africa, taking their maladies with them. This means that Mugabe has made himself an international problem, destabilizing his neighbors and thus giving them a direct legitimate interest in (and a right to concern themselves with) the restabilizing of Zimbabwe. If the voices of people like Desmond Tutu and Graça Machel, who are beginning to insist that regional action be taken to remove Mugabe, are ever heard properly, it will probably be because Mugabe went too far in driving infected people onto the territory of the countries next door. This is germ warfare of a kind.


    Nor is it a detail that Mugabe clearly lost the last election in Zimbabwe, in spite of being able to use the machinery of state as if it were the private property of his own ruling party. ..."

    Is Zimbabwe a rogue state? - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine
     
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    Works for me!

    Hitchens' argument is elegant.

    I just want the fucker taken out.
     
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    the international community has totally ignored the situation until the refugees began to move...i like the comparsion to the community..where the house has finally gotten so crime ridden etc that it must be dealt with...there will be no action...as long as it is black people dying...no one gives a flying fuck...doesnt matter if its domestic blacks...ie...katrina...or not...why should the us care about black people all the way over in africa when they dont care about black people here? do not think that the election of obama is gonna change things for the black man/woman...

    as for never allowing genocide that is just a joke...it has gone on for decades in africa and no one has cared...
     
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    The vicious bastard is protected by the other southern Africa states. They need to get out of their historical mindset blaming colonialism or they will never progress. They are prisoners of that mentality. Mugabe must go. Unfortunately he has enablers all around him, that pathetic creature Mbeki was Mugabe's chief enabler. Even the ANC government was embarrassed by Mbeki's behaviour and gave him the boot but sadly nothing changed. Only a few brave leaders spoke against Mugabe but while the ANC supports this bloke the others will obey. They are totally and utterly corrupt, along with Mugabe and ZANU-PF. The lot of them are disgusting.
     
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    The White racist European colonialist, are the only rogue states on the Earth.
    It is because of them why we have Robert Mugabe.

    The European Robber barons,murderers and rapist,marauding plunderers, are the true
    definition of what a rogue state is. They have raped the African continent, and enriched themselves only, while many Zimbabewean , and South African blacks still live in squaler,and abject poverty.!!
     
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    Yes, thanks to the incompetent Mugabe, more black people are dirt poor than at any time in the past 40 years.
     
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    Guess what? I don't give a shit about history, at least as far as any rationalisation of this bastard's behaviour because it is simple fucking bullshit to grab for it. What was done is in the past. What is important is the present and Mugabe is a fucking criminal who needs to go to the Hague. Cecil Rhodes can go with him. So can Ian Smith. Oh wait, they're dead. Okay, Mugabe can go, the bastard.
     
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    Typical White cop out answer.Oh, lets just forget about the past, and what we did to Africa.! Well, all those actions by White Europeans in the past, has proven to have a direct effect on todays present Day conditions.

    So, please don't tell me to forget about the past.! The past has great influence on the
    future. Why are you Whites always telling Blacks to forget about your evil deeds from the
    past!!?.History can somtime repeat itself, is what I have always been told.
     
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    As I was saying, the past isn't relevant. That's the sort of bullshit that Mugabe uses to con Zimbabweans, oh no the big bad Whitey colonists are coming back to take over. That is such a supine position, to point to the past and whine. The problems are in the now, not the past. Mugabe and ZANU--PF have to go, they were kicked out of office but the corrupt bastard used the Army and Police to keep himself in power.
     
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    I agree with your point to look towards the future, and not to wallow in the past,but many
    whites have , and still maintain a huge advantage over blacks in terms of economic wealth
    and property, as a direct result of illegal acts from the past. Yes Zimbabwe has problems
    that need to be solved now. But White European and American sanctions are not helping
    an already volatile situation,it is only hurting Zimbabweans.
     
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