Is Universal Healthcare Detrimental to Your Health?

[sealybobo]

Why not? Because you are miscounting and misanalyzing from the beginning. Politicalchic, this is not a debate society, but you have to start posting truly good evidence before anyone will play with you. You, and CG, and si modo and some of the others have to stop being the party of "no, no, no", and start offering something worthwhile. You have not done that. When you do, then I will be glad to analyze it for you.

So disappointing.

"...this is not a debate society,..."

That is exactly what it is.

One counters with data, not what you learned in public school, get a pat on the head, no matter what you know or don't know.

Nothing but blather. " miscounting and misanalyzing ..."



You have nothing to bring to the table.

You know how they keep telling us social security will be bankrupt by the time we are ready to retire? Maybe this can make up for it. Give some people the option to get medicare early.

Or the people who got ENRON'ed and they lost their pensions? They should get free healthcare curtesy of you the tax payer.

 

[auditor0007]

Healthcare has become a most prominent issue in today’s world. Many people are demanding a universal healthcare system. However, I have several apprehensions about government-run healthcare.

Contrary to believe, insurance premiums and expense of healthcare is likely to increase. These cost increases, along with ineffective cost control, will lead to monetary instability in the healthcare system. Assuming that these costs could be effectively controlled, the insufficient supply of physicians would lead to the downfall of universal healthcare. Patients would have to wait longer to receive important consultations and procedures. Ultimately, I believe the average health of an American citizen would suffer due to universal healthcare. So, is universal healthcare really the answer considering it would be detrimental to the average health of an American citizen?

Moreover, I believe it is necessary to define healthcare as a right or a privilege. So, is it everyone’s right to have healthcare, or is it a privilege not available to everyone?

I think if you become sick and have insurance, the insurance companies should no longer have to cover you. That way, healthy people will have lower premiums and those who get sick can rot in the streets, unless of course they can afford to pay for everything out of pocket.

That is what happened to me. I was insured, but I had to move to another state. Because I have a medical condition, the same insurance company that had insured me in Colorado denied me coverage in Ohio. I think this is a great system and a great way to do business. If we only insure the healthy, then costs will really come down.

I find it interesting how all these polls show that most people are very happy with their insurance coverage. I'd like to see a poll of people who have actually had to use their insurance and see how happy they are with their insurance, if they still have it.

Very sorry to hear about your situation.

Wouldn't the answer to your problem have been to allow insurance companies to be national rather than state-bound?

Despite what you might think, the insurance companies don't want to sell policies across state lines. There really aren't that many insurance companies to begin with, and they are already in multiple states. Restricting the way they sell their policies actually helps them keep rates high, so they like this scenario the way it is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think if you become sick and have insurance, the insurance companies should no longer have to cover you. That way, healthy people will have lower premiums and those who get sick can rot in the streets, unless of course they can afford to pay for everything out of pocket.

That is what happened to me. I was insured, but I had to move to another state. Because I have a medical condition, the same insurance company that had insured me in Colorado denied me coverage in Ohio. I think this is a great system and a great way to do business. If we only insure the healthy, then costs will really come down.

I find it interesting how all these polls show that most people are very happy with their insurance coverage. I'd like to see a poll of people who have actually had to use their insurance and see how happy they are with their insurance, if they still have it.

Very sorry to hear about your situation.

Wouldn't the answer to your problem have been to allow insurance companies to be national rather than state-bound?

Despite what you might think, the insurance companies don't want to sell policies across state lines. There really aren't that many insurance companies to begin with, and they are already in multiple states. Restricting the way they sell their policies actually helps them keep rates high, so they like this scenario the way it is.

There are 1300 companies.

"...the insurance companies don't want to sell policies across state lines..." Why do you think that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why not? Because you are miscounting and misanalyzing from the beginning. Politicalchic, this is not a debate society, but you have to start posting truly good evidence before anyone will play with you. You, and CG, and si modo and some of the others have to stop being the party of "no, no, no", and start offering something worthwhile. You have not done that. When you do, then I will be glad to analyze it for you.

So disappointing.

"...this is not a debate society,..."

That is exactly what it is.

One counters with data, not what you learned in public school, get a pat on the head, no matter what you know or don't know.

Nothing but blather. " miscounting and misanalyzing ..."



You have nothing to bring to the table.

You know how they keep telling us social security will be bankrupt by the time we are ready to retire? Maybe this can make up for it. Give some people the option to get medicare early.

Or the people who got ENRON'ed and they lost their pensions? They should get free healthcare curtesy of you the tax payer.

We need to both see, and consider the financial benefits and costs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Don't worry, political chic, you will get your wish. We all will get to see and evaluate the benefits, because this is going to happen.

 

[Granny]

Is Universal Health or medicare detrimental to old people's health?

The answer to that is "yes." Older people will have less approval for care from this "death squad," "commission," or whatever in hell the government would set up to make these decisions. To be "cost effective" some proceedures would be deemed too expensive considering the age expectancy of older people. They will also lose the coverages that they now have.

Most large insurers are in all the states - some states just have more or less stringent requirements in what insurance companies can or cannot do. Rising premium costs could be drastically reduced (health and malpractice) by some very serious tort reform. It's not that an injured person should not be compensated for the injury itself, but all the extraneous stuff should not be considered for compensation. A recurring ingrown toenail should not fall into the multi-million-dollar compensation bracket that includes damages for mental distress. The only people who profit from these lawsuits are the lawyers - and lawyers don't give a shit about the clients - they're only interested in the profitability.

Personally, I would like for the healthcare bill to be killed altogether. Perhaps one thing insurers could do for those with pre-existing conditions would be to be required by law to contribute funds to a national insurance pool for high risk patients.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Granny, honey, the only "death squads" are those held by the insurance industry that denies medical care to human beings.

Tort reform: you are simply made that lawyers have figured out how to make the corporatist scam work for them against the corporatists. Two words: do better.

 

[Granny]

Granny, honey, the only "death squads" are those held by the insurance industry that denies medical care to human beings.

Tort reform: you are simply made that lawyers have figured out how to make the corporatist scam work for them against the corporatists. Two words: do better.

I can tell we're going to be good friends.

First, it has already been stated that there will be a government commission of "experts" who will oversee all the decision making on healthcare.

Second, I'm not "made" - no Italian blood in these veins. I do however have a 25-year career as a legal secretary and I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Perhaps it is you who should "do better."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Granny, honey, the only "death squads" are those held by the insurance industry that denies medical care to human beings.

Tort reform: you are simply made that lawyers have figured out how to make the corporatist scam work for them against the corporatists. Two words: do better.

I can tell we're going to be good friends.

First, it has already been stated that there will be a government commission of "experts" who will oversee all the decision making on healthcare.

Second, I'm not "made" - no Italian blood in these veins. I do however have a 25-year career as a legal secretary and I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Perhaps it is you who should "do better."

Okay. This answers my question about whether we ever get newbies who aren't idiots, and in a positive way, thank the Lord and to my great surprise. Hiya, Granny.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Granny, honey, the only "death squads" are those held by the insurance industry that denies medical care to human beings.

Tort reform: you are simply made that lawyers have figured out how to make the corporatist scam work for them against the corporatists. Two words: do better.

I can tell we're going to be good friends.

First, it has already been stated that there will be a government commission of "experts" who will oversee all the decision making on healthcare.

Second, I'm not "made" - no Italian blood in these veins. I do however have a 25-year career as a legal secretary and I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Perhaps it is you who should "do better."

So I misspelled a word. Three words: get over it. There is a reason you are a secretary not an attorney. That is obvious. The experts are not a "death panel". But the insurance industry's bean counters who are. They deny treatment, granny, and that is a death squad. We will be great friends, but I suggest you ask your boss to pay for a class on how to shepardize a case and find precedents. Because otherwise, you are already lost if this is what you offering on the forum.

 

[LilOlLady]

Not for those 47 million who do not have healthcare. It do not have to be a universal healthcare system, but a public opiton. Keep your private if you like it. But do not try to stop those who do not have. The healthcare reform bill is not universal hc.

 

[lschs77]

alright jake listen up!! I started this blog for an english assignment and because im very concerned about the current state of our healthcare system and everything else the government is trying to put there hand in.

I started this post to get clear information on where people stand and how they feel about certain situations. Now there is no hiding that im quite the conservative but im open to other people's views. why is this? because i look at the facts. if the facts add up i listen up.

i've seen politicalchic and several others ask you to post evidence for where you stand so fervently on this issue. all of your replies have been void of any fact or evidence. you even went so far as to insult someones career. who the hell do you think you are to do that? maybe that is where America has gone wrong? to attack someone on a post for being a secretary....the opposite of class.

listen i enjoy hearing the opposite side of the argument. if you have facts and evidence...present it. if not stop taking all of your anger out on other people and go fantasize about a threesome between bill hillary and obama

 

[JakeStarkey]

You can't take what your side dishes out? Tuff. Come back with real stats, and then we can see.

 

[lschs77]

You can't take what your side dishes out? Tuff. Come back with real stats, and then we can see.

Once again your response is devoid of any statistical facts or evidence that supports an idea that you blindly and fervently support. Here are my apprehensions with universal healthcare. This great country that you and I live in gives us privilege of freedom, the freedom that millions have died for. This universal healthcare package, the public option if you must, is a step in the opposite direction. It is one large step towards socialism. Government control is exactly what we must avoid to keep our freedoms and liberty. If you are such a supporter of a socialist agenda, go live in china or cuba. Socialism strives to make all people equal. People that work their ass off to earn their living and people that milk the welfare system are apparently equals, should be treated like equals, and apparently earn the same amount of money. Monetary redistribution is no so far away as some might think. Already, the top tax bracket in America pays just under 50% of their entire income to taxes. Think about that. Every dollar you make you only get 50 cents. Granted every citizen should be required to contribute to their country and fund certain programs. But it is quite evident that the government has taken that too far.

Now lets get back to this universal healthcare proposal that you love jerking off too. Let's not rush across the atlantic and look at european systems of healthcare, but lets see how our government has already handle it. Ever been to Massachusetts? Spending for the Commonwealth Care subsidized program has doubled, from $630 million in 2007 to an estimated $1.3 billion for 2009, which is not sustainable. By the fall of 2008, access and affordability had eroded. There weren’t enough physicians willing to taking care of the newly insured. Twenty percent of adults said that in the last 12 months they had been told that a clinic or doctors office was not accepting new patients. “Universal Healthcare” was supposed to cater to those who were unable to get insurance. Interestingly enough, in Massachusetts, 29 percent of low-income adults compared to 15 percent of high-income adults had trouble finding a healthcare provider. Also, 32 percent of those with public coverage compared to 16 percent with private coverage had trouble finding a healthcare provider.

Lets move on to everyone's favorite example.....O Canada.....how lame is your system of healthcare? Ready, Ready, Ready.....most of their citizens purchase supplemental health insurance. What? If their health insurance is so great why do they need supplemental health insurance. And why do they come to get major surgery and consultations done in the US. Why must they come to non socialist america, because they can't get treated. The average waiting time between a referral from a general practitioner to treatment went up to 17.7 weeks in 2003. Additionally, there aren't enough physicians to treat all of the newly insured, the same as in Massachusetts.

Well this would be such an easy fix if there would be more doctors. HAHAHA this gets me laughing every time. Some doctors pay over 100,000 dollars for medical malpractice insurance. When 300 doctors were asked if they ordered “unnecessary” procedures as a defensive measure, 77.9 percent admitted to doing at least once. Doctors are no longer treating patient due to their symptoms, but because they are scared they are going to be sued for not doing a completely pointless test.

And lastly, the right to healthcare insurance (thanks for pointing that out politicachic) is not a privilege it is a right. No one can demand that someone provide a service, that is theft. What if you had to do whatever you do at work for free. bullshit. there is no mention to the right of health insurance in the constitution. once everything becomes a right and not a privilege we have officially become a socialized country. society has to stop whining, and start working harder. america is heading for destruction and we need to turn it around.

 

[JakeStarkey]

lschs77 gives out the old discredited talking points of the right? That's your facts? Come on, man, we are playing with grown ups here. Don't get mad if you can't take what is dished out.

And, yes, America is being turned around today. Real Americans took back Real America last year. Choices have consequences, and the whacky wingnuts in my Party are having trouble with that. They will learn, or they will leave.

 

[lschs77]

lschs77 gives out the old discredited talking points of the right? That's your facts? Come on, man, we are playing with grown ups here. Don't get mad if you can't take what is dished out.

And, yes, America is being turned around today. Real Americans took back Real America last year. Choices have consequences, and the whacky wingnuts in my Party are having trouble with that. They will learn, or they will leave.

what party are you affiliated with and once again no facts just the same old jake bullshit

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yepper, you have the same old dead right talking points and nothing else.

You are useless here.

 

[lschs77]

Yepper, you have the same old dead right talking points and nothing else.

You are useless here.

okay i have completely lost you. first you say that you are playing with adults but you offer no such wisdom that an adult would have accumulated over many years. instead, you just argue based on ill founded facts or no facts at all. but im done arguing with someone that doesn't know anything about politics or life for that matter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are talking about yourself.