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This below my longest post EVER I think, but that is because it contain 3 news articles AND a YouTube video:
I have never been ignorant, your family have been situated in Serbia and BORN ALL in Serbia includes you and for a very very long time your connection IS Serbia via whatever how many Centuries from India they arrive in what is now Serbia. The situation is you have 0% in RELATION in ANY FORM to my nation this 0% Biologically and 0% Culturally and you have CONTRIBUTED 0% to my nation but have in moneys provided in WELFARE cost my nation HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS in moneys and I have commented many times what you have is a piece of paper that ALLOWS you RESIDENCE in my nation AS an IMMIGRANT, effectively you are ROOTLESS as 99.9% of Roma are. What to do with the Roma, NOBODY WANTS Roma in their nation and this is ALL nations and that has been that situation for many Centuries across many nations across many Centuries, the ENTIRE History of the European Continent if there is only ONE thing ALL European nations can EVER have AGREED about it is that NOBODY WANT the Roma and across this Continent's History the NEGATIVITY about the Roma has been INTENSE on many different levels for 1,000 years in total.
Now what to do with the Roma. I would prefer if we ALL could find your crowd some waste land on the very EXTERNAL of European borders and put ALL Roma on this Continent there, we would build you structures to live in, give you water facility etc but you would STAY there on your own with your own that NOBODY has ever wanted, you would have to find a way to survive by growing your own foods, as 90% of Roma do NOT WORK but are on Welfare or survive by stealing off those who DO WORK, then of course this waste land you all would be living on would NOT be open to ANY External Trade.
A member of my family in the 1920s he was a Professor of Anthropology, he knew about ALL types, he had a great appreciation of Tibet also but that does not matter in this, but in the late 1930s he was awarded a Government position to advise on specific about the Roma and the Sinti, he determined via his research and knowledge that the Sinti were of the type that could be integrated into a Modern Functioning Developed Society, that the Sinti 65% of them HAD a trade, HAD a skill, could WORK and DID work and caused ZERO problems with being of the criminal type. He determined the EXACT opposite for the Roma that the Roma were NON FUNCTIONING, that 91% of them did NOT have a trade, did NOT have a skill, DID NOT work and that 89% of them DID have the Criminal DNA. My family member later some years recommended that ALL Roma be put in some waste land like I have described above and there they would stay AWAY from the rest of this Continent who did NOT want them.
RE. Modi and India, Modi's position on the Roma the Children of India, he's a Right-Wing Hindu Nationalist so his position is complicated, he consider the Roma as Children of India but he wants you ALL to become Hindu's. The Roma as Children of India should logically be RETURNED to India or at the LEAST the Indian Government should PAY Western Governments moneys for the Roma, I see NO reason why Western taxpayers should have to provide for the Roma. India is a very big nation, as the Roma descended from Dalits in North West India the Punjab and Rajasthan I see no reason why within those regions there could not be developed a Nation Within A Nation for ALL the Roma on the European Continent, to finally return the Children of India TO India.
Across this Continent we have ALOT of support for our thinking that the Roma SHOULD be ALL returned to India, the below was from when Francois Hollande the SOCIALIST was French President and Manuel Valls also a SOCIALIST:
French official says Roma should 'return to homeland'
"French Interior Minister Manuel Valls provoked anger Tuesday for saying the Roma migrants had a "duty to return to their homeland" — and despite a wave of criticism, refused to back down Wednesday.
Valls said the Roma had failed to integrate and that France had no responsibility to them.
"We don't have the obligation to welcome these populations, we need to say it clearly and calmly. It is not about stigmatizing a population, but facing the truth," he said.
John Dalhuisen, Amnesty's Europe and Central Asia program director, offered a different interpretation.
"The Roma have a duty to live in misery. That's how the comments of the interior minister should be translated," Dalhuisen said."
^^^^ The situation is this we are making NGOs IMPOTENT on this Continent now and Amnesty Europe AND Amnesty International ARE on the Hit List and the above article was from nearly SIX YEARS ago and now collectively ALL European Governments AGREE with Manuel Valls and that is a Right-Wing Government, a Left Government, a Conservative Government, a Centrist Government, a Liberal Government it is one of the ONLY things we ALL agree on that the Roma on this Continent have to go from ALL European nations they are in AND if collectively in exchange for Financial Aid or Medical Aid or Nuclear Programme Aid or whatever we can have INDIA taking the Children of India BACK to India then that would be a positive situation.
French official says Roma should 'return to homeland'
I find the below, as I comment Modi's position on the Roma is complicated, he is a Right-Wing Hindu Nationalist so he accepts the Roma as Children of India but with THAT he WANTS you ALL to become Hindu's:
The Modi Government, and RSS, Are Keen to Claim the Roma as Indians, and Hindus
The government recently organised a conference that officially validated – for the first time – the Indian origin of the Romas, raising their hopes of being a part of the Indian diaspora. But the decision is not free of Hindutva politics
^^^^ Left to right: Not 100% sure if ALL of the above are Roma, I think first woman yes she is, man next I do not know, woman next could be, man next yes he is, man next blue costume no, man next with hat yes he is.
The Modi Government, and RSS, Are Keen to Claim the Roma as Indians, and Hindus
European Roma descended from Indian 'untouchables', genetic study shows
Roma gypsies in Britain and Europe are descended from "dalits" or low caste "untouchables" who migrated from the Indian sub-continent 1,400 years ago, a genetic study has suggested.
^^^^ This illustrates just ONE reason why European nations have never WANTED Roma in their nation.
"Gypsies have long believed they have origins in India, citing common Sanskrit words in their languages and photographs of darker-skinned ancestors in South Asian clothes, while earlier research has offered some scientific support for their suspicions.
Now a study led by Indian and Estonian academics, including Dr Toomas Kivisild of Cambridge University, has confirmed their origins in the Indian sub-continent, and even identified the location and social background from which they emerged.
The findings have been welcomed by Britain's Gypsy Council, which said it would help to promote understanding of Roma people throughout Europe. "We are Britain's first Non-Resident Indian community," said council spokesman Joseph Jones.
The study, which was published this month in the journal Nature, examined Y chromosomes in DNA samples to compare the genetic signatures of European Roma men with those of thousands of Indians from throughout the sub-continent.
Scientists from Hyderabad's Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology collaborated with colleagues in Estonia and Switzerland to compare more than 10,000 samples, including from members of 214 different Indian ethnic groups. They were analysed to match a South Asian Y chromosome type known as "haplogroup H1a1a-M82", which passes down male bloodlines, with samples from Roma men in Europe."
European Roma descended from Indian 'untouchables', genetic study shows
There is also this Roma woman gone to India to explore her Indian Roots:
A Roma pursuing her Indian connection
There is also this Roma woman from Kosovo gone to India to explore her Indian Roots:
That is informative. I liked your post because it contains alot of information. I agree I have Zero connection genetically and ethnically and culturally to Austria. I never claimed I do. I think you misunderstood me. I talk about topics related to austria like the government or my experience in school because I live here and did so for a long time. But I never claimed Im austrian. I dont believe all roma have "criminal DNA". My mum worked 30 years, her whole life. She never stole something. And she is roma from serbia. But many roma failed to integrate. But Integration is not a one way street. I think for integration both the minority and the host Nation needs to do something. If you are not accepted and you are discriminated by the majority you also cant integrate but you also need to want it yourself and work for it.
I think yes you would have liked what I think is my LONGEST post EVER at this forum, alot of interesting information. My family member from his research find that not ALL Roma have Criminal DNA, he said 89% do, this suggest of course your Mama in modern day would be in the 11% who do NOT have Criminal DNA.
The reason why many Roma do not integrate is because they are Alien to that environment, they have a Roma thought process and lifestyle that does not connect in general to how Non-Roma's live. The main problem as I think it is that the Roma were given refuge or whatever into Alien Culture to the Roma and this is why they have ALWAYS in the History of this Continent been Historically Discriminated against. I think as my family member he think the Roma a VERY long time ago should have been given a DEVELOPED waste land on our External border and they all I think and he think WOULD have liked that and been very happy. As it has been the Roma are a Displaced Peoples.
That same family member of mine, a very interesting man, he was in the 1930s and until the mid-1940s also considered an expert on Tibet and the Tibetans, in about 1931 he had his first Expedition to Tibet and he spend ONE YEAR in Tibet living WITH the Tibetans and studying them and the Tibetan Philosophy he then write a MASSIVE Thesis when he return home, it is 800 pages we have the original in our family archives.
I would like to write more in general about my family but I cannot because it would be very often to controversial to write about on the Internet.
Sounds like he worked for the nazis. But doesnt matter the nazis were smart and knew alot. Also the nazis said roma descendt from pariahs in Northwestern India and nowadays it turns out it is indeed like that.
