Is This Evidence For Satan?

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    Sorry, this is a long post, but it's something that happened on USMB and triggered a revelation. It is not a popular subject -- Satan. I am not afraid of Satan, but he is quite a powerful being. In the Bible, he is "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

    IIRC, it happened in the thread "Atheists want proof of God?" There was a person, whom I think was an evolutionist, who exclaimed birds came from dinosaurs. I said that I didn't think little, tiny birds evolved from great, big, gigantic dinosaurs and that Oregon State University research showed that a bird's lung development was different from a dinosaur's, i.e. a bird would not be able to breathe and fly if they had lungs like dinosaurs. He came back and insisted, "BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS!" and went on to rant. There was no contradicting him, so I just ignored until he left.

    Later, I looked at my six days of creation chart and saw that birds were created on the 4th day while land animals were created on the 5th. It dawned on me that whatever atheists/evolutionists believe contradicts what God stated in the first two books of Genesis.

    Isn't this evidence for Satan? First, Satan doesn't want you to believe he exists, so people usually do not ask for proof of Satan nor does anyone even bring him up for discussion. Non-believers want proof of God when there isn't any proof for an unprovable God. When you end up discussing God with them, you find they usually blame God for something such as evil in the OT or why does he allow babies to suffer? Whatever evidence you present is not good enough. One atheist said if he opened the ground in front of him and gave him a brand new car of his choice, then he'll believe. Um... it takes faith... but you do not even get to that point with these people. Believers know why these miracles are not convincing nor life changing.

    What I am getting at using in regards to Satan that he exists... because we have God created the heavens and Earth from nothing, but evolutionary thinking says it was the big bang which caused it from nothing. Before that it was the eternal universe. God created Adam and Eve as adult humans and animals as adult animals. Instead, the naysayers say, no, we had the egg before the chicken and abiogenesis, so this is how life came into existence and evolved. And so on. It turned out that everything I could think of between creation and atheist/evolutionary beliefs contradicted each other. All of these debates have come down throughout the centuries, so there could be no collaboration as to what the people who came up with the atheist/evolutionary hypothesis wrote. These writers were in different fields of work and it was written at different times. It wasn't put together in a book like the Bible, but if it was, then it was as if Satan had wrote an antiGenesis.

    These contradictions goes beyond that, too. It isn't just evolution, but moral values such as not killing a fetus vs. abortion and a woman's rights, homosexuality vs. man and woman marriage, and even how the world is going to end -- global fire vs. AGW or a huge asteroid hits the earth causing a catastrophic chain reaction. It turns out that everything that God stated in the Bible is contradicted by Satan. Maybe that's just his rebellious nature and he can't help himself.

    Thus, when you add all the contradictions up, is this evidence for Satan? Does this convince you that Satan is causing it? Bad stuff usually does not happen by coincidence.

    Here are some things that are opposite off the top of my head.

    GOD >>>>> SATAN
    Said it first in the Bible over 1500 years (can not change) >>>>> Said it throughout the years (hypothesis and theories can change)
    Universe >>>>> Multiverse
    Creation ex nihilo (supernatural creation in 6 days) >>>>> Universe ex nihilo, i.e. big bang (defies laws of physics, infinite temperature and density, all is set up in 20 mins); Before this, it was eternal universe
    6,000 yrs old Earth and universe >>>>> 4.5 B yrs old Earth and 13.7 B yrs old universe
    Created Adam and Eve >>>>> Humans evolved from monkeys
    Created birds 4th day; dinosaurs 5th day >>>>> birds evolved from dinosaurs
    Clear explanation of how universe and Earth formed and science backs it up >>>>> Wild hypothesis of infinitely hot and dense unseen particle called singularity; Some event called big bang triggered a cosmic expansion in microseconds that formed the basis for our universe; not clear explanation of what happened
    Life can only create life >>>>> Life forms through abiogenesis (based on spontaneous generation that was proven false by creation scientist Dr. Louis Pasteur)
    Started with void >>>>> Started with infinitely hot and dense unseen quantum particle
    God is timeless and spaceless >>>>> Quantum particles pop in and out of existence
    God is light, i.e. EMS or light >>>>> Things happen through dark energy, dark matter
    Universe is bounded and has a center >>>>> Universe is boundless and does not have a center
    Earth is special >>>>> There is nothing special about the Earth
    Heaven (upward direction) >>>>> Hell (downward direction)

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    No. Get help. Soon.
     
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    I'm willing to believe in Satan ...

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    Lets see, Bible-2 versions, Koran, Vegas, all have a billion followers and were written when people thought the world was flat. Their version of God and devil leave me skeptical, but that's why America is great, we can all believe as we wish.
     
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    I think birds ARE land animals. Who made that chart?
     
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    Oh, you contradicted.

    The present scientific consensus is that birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs that originated during the Mesozoic Era.
    Origin of birds - Wikipedia
     
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    The origin of birds. The discovery that birds evolved from small carnivorous dinosaurs of the Late Jurassic was made possible by recently discovered fossils from China, South America, and other countries, as well as by looking at old museum specimens from new perspectives and with new methods.
    https://evolution.berkeley.edu
     
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    Did you get help for your mental retardation yet :cuckoo:? Even ding won't talk with you any more.

    You're the one who thinks God is evil while the believers all think he is good. Isn't that a contradiction? Besides, we already discussed your final destination for trolling. Let the punishment fit the crime. There must be a level for trolling.

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    I never said god was evil, I said there's no real proof that he exists. And I just can't understand how such a good god would allow deformed and retarded babies to happen.
     
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    No, you contradicted. God wrote Genesis in ancient times. He created birds on the 5th day and land animals such as the dinosaur on the 6th day.

    No secular scientist would read the Bible and say I'm going to contradict what it says. And this happened thousands of years later. It's Satan's rebellious character to contradict the word of God. He has done it for everything in Genesis and more.
     
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