Is this country really what our founding fathers dreamed of?

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    Is this country really what our founding fathers dreamed of, or is it going down the tubes like all countries do after so long?
     
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    I think FDR Seriously changed the nation from the one the founders dreamed of. Not that all what FDR did was bad, but when the point of the government was to keep it out of peoples lives and people propose ways to put it into peoples lives then we have some conflicts.

    I know they didnt dream of judges overriding the votes of the majority or mayors violating state laws created directly by the people to be violated to impose the will of a minority on the majority.
     
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    Well, crime is a biggie that we could do without. If there was no crime, this would be a Utopia.

    True equality between those with different financial statuses is another. How did we let the gap between the upper and lower class become so wide. How is it that movie stars, singers, sports figures, etc. are allowed to make so much money when the average, hard-working American, that must earn every cent they make, are screwed?

    The debate over the races is another one. Whites are still held accountable for black short-comings. The time when the speccial treatment of blacks should have expired has come and gone many years ago. If we strive for true equality, then why don't we have it yet?

    America has become to much a symbol of freedom and peace that we need to constantly step in other countries' business. Take Haiti for example. They need to sort things out themselves. Why do we need to be there to hold their hand?
     
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    That's the price of a free society. Crime was relatively non-existent in the Soviet Union and I wouldn't have called that a utopia. Liberty is more important than equality.

    That's the price of post-Industrial Revolution capitalism . These things have made us all richer and more powerful as a country with respect to the rest of the world. Liberty is more important than equality.

    We don't need to. We want to; at least some of us do. Thankfully I doubt this administration will be sending 20,000 soldiers there to install a despot. Afterall, who would do that?
     
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    I beg to differ. What FDR did was appalling. He opened the floodgates of the welfare state. The New Deal changed America for the worse. It replaced individual responsibility with need. And we can see the result.
     
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    Except for crimes committed by the state.
     
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    "I beg to differ. What FDR did was appalling. He opened the floodgates of the welfare state. The New Deal changed America for the worse. It replaced individual responsibility with need. And we can see the result."

    I agree for the most part. The things I think FDR did right was start up the American war machine to stop Germany and Japan.
     
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    Absolutely - stopping Germany and Japan was right and necessary, just as stopping Radical Islamic Terrorism is right and necessary today.
     
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    No, it's not at all what our founding fathers dreamed of. The amount of laziness, disrespect and complete failure of responsibility- the size, cost and power of the federal government. They were all anathema to the founding fathers.

    However, it's still the best country on earth:

    - even if I don't agree with everyone on everything, at least I'm not killed for my opinion
    - Anyone who wants work can have it
    - Anyone who wants to get an education has access
    - We can kick butt on anyone who threatens us
    - yet we can also be civilized and helpful even to our enemies
    - We forgive those who've wronged us
     
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    Who could have ever thought that when our Founding Fathers sat down 200 years ago they meant for "freedom of expression" to entail pornography? Insane, you say. The ACLU doesn't think so. It is so depressing to see all the liberal slants put on every part of the constitution. I believe I have come to the point where I am ashamed to be an American.
     

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