Is the Quran Gods words?

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    I say it is not, for the following reasons.

    1. The quran is filled with references to the bible and other texts, and I say is is copied from these sources, and not an original work.

    2. The quran is full of terrible quotes about what God will do to unbelievers in Muhammad and the day of judgement, and that he will burn them in hellfire for all eternity, and I say this is all lies which degrade God, and make him a monster. It was written to scare people into obeying Muhammad, and it does not come from God.

    Does anyone want to dispute my opinions?
     
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    First, your premise presumes that the Bible is the word of GOD rather than a collection of parables intended to help men, and women, lead good and moral lives.


    Second, have you read the Bible? GOD asks for and does mighty nasty stuff between those covers...
     
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    Hi hjmick, I did not say I believed in the bible, I said the quran is largely copied from it.
     
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    Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have common roots.
     
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    Yeah yer right. Just do as thou wilt because YOU are a God! A human with an I.Q of around 100-120 is a God!

    Happens all the time. :D
     
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    Islam is not an Abrahamic religion. That is a lie promoted by Islam and ignorant people in the media.
     
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    So Judaism led to Christianity, and whatever value those religions may have is a matter of debate. But my point is that Muhammad simple stole the earlier texts, and claimed himself a messenger.
     
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    Your user name "Dajjal" is arabic for the anti-Christ.

    So I assume that you are here to hate on muslims and Islam.

    Just what we need; another retard posting on the forum. :cuckoo:
     
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    I am so glad you need me.:badgrin:
     
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    Here is evidence the quran is copied from the bible and other sources.

    The story in the quran concerning Jesus childhood, about an incident where he makes a clay bird and brings it to life is not a part of the Christian bible, and the original texts are considered apocryphal. They are regarded by Christian scholars as having been written in around 150AD, as propaganda by the early Christians, attempting to fill in the missing years of Jesus life.

    The following are two verses in the quran that contain the references.
    From the Yusuf Ali translation.

    003.049 "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in
    your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

    005.110 Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold ! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'



    As can be seen the quran speaks of only one bird, and says Jesus breathed life into it. But the only historical text that contains such a story speaks of 12 birds, and they were brought to life by Jesus commanding them to "Go". Therefore the quran does not even get the facts of the original fictional document correct. Added to this the New Testament states that Jesus did his first miracle at a time he was around thirty years old. (John 2.11)

    Here is the relevant text, translated from Greek and written in, The Apocryphal New Testament, by M.R.James, published by Oxford:Clarendon press, 1924.
    The stories of Thomas the Israelite, (not St Thomas of the bible) the philosopher, concerning the works of the childhood of the Lord.

    1. I, Thomas the Israelite, tell you, and all the brethren that are Gentile, the works of the childhood of our Lord Jesus Christ and his mighty deeds, and all that he did when he was born in our land.
    2.1 This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the water that flowed there into pools, and made them clean, and commanded them by his word alone.
    2.2 Having made soft clay, he fashioned twelve sparrows. It was the Sabbath when he did these things. And there were also many other little children playing with him.
    2.3. A certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed and told his father Joseph: your child is at the brook, and he has taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and has polluted the Sabbath day.
    2.4. Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Why do you do these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping.
    2.5 when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do.

    There is a reference to this story, and the flaws in it in the book.
    The original sources of the quran. by William St Clair Tisdall.
    This book is in the public domain and can be found on the Internet.
     
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