Is the Pope Catholic?

[del]

For what, the fifth time now?

There IS indeed a reason why men are priests and not women.

Look it up yourself, or remain stupid.

Your choice asswipe.

What is the reason?

Can't do it on a messageboard Ravi.

There should be a homily on line somewhere if interested.

translation: warbler has no clue

he has no clue why they can't marry either.

 

[Warrior102]

I just read one....basically the answer is "because!" That and something to do with the "fact" that the apostles only ordained men.

No - the answer's not "because"

Well, it sort of is. The logic applied would be the same logic someone applied to the question, why can't a woman be a man?

Hopefully this will help explain it... Why Can't Women Be Priests? - Why Women Cannot Be Priests in the Catholic Church

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yes, keep believing that. Always easier than looking for the truth.

Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

The Gospel of Thomas

The Story Of The Storytellers - The Gnostic Gospels | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

It's a free country. You can post all the nonsense you want.

Elaine Pagels is a respected scholar. If you don't want to read her, then you don't have to.

Stay with what works for you. I've always loved Pagels work.

 

[Warrior102]

What is the reason?

Can't do it on a messageboard Ravi.

There should be a homily on line somewhere if interested.

translation: warbler has no clue

he has no clue why they can't marry either.

If you want to marry a Priest, assbrain, that's your choice. Go for it.

 

[del]

No - the answer's not "because"

Well, it sort of is. The logic applied would be the same logic someone applied to the question, why can't a woman be a man?

Hopefully this will help explain it... Why Can't Women Be Priests? - Why Women Cannot Be Priests in the Catholic Church

that's a long way to go to come back to "because i said so"

 

[Ravi]

No - the answer's not "because"

Well, it sort of is. The logic applied would be the same logic someone applied to the question, why can't a woman be a man?

Hopefully this will help explain it... Why Can't Women Be Priests? - Why Women Cannot Be Priests in the Catholic Church

That's the one I read. Basically, according to the Catholic Church, women can't be priests because only men can be priests.

 

[konradv]

The better part of 20 centuries of biblical scholarship.

LOL!!! 20 centuries!!! The GoMM wasn't discovered until the late 19th century. If your knowledge is so limited, you really should be studying instead of commenting.

So you believe that some text that pops up invalidates 20 centuries of scholarship? You really are stupid.

I'm saying how can you have 20 centuries of scholarship on a text that's been around for just over a hundred years? It was not just "some text", but part of a greater whole of scriptures prevalent in the early church.

Gospel of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was even a bigger find of old gospels in 1945!

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Artevelde]

LOL!!! 20 centuries!!! The GoMM wasn't discovered until the late 19th century. If your knowledge is so limited, you really should be studying instead of commenting.

So you believe that some text that pops up invalidates 20 centuries of scholarship? You really are stupid.

I'm saying how can you have 20 centuries of scholarship on a text that been around for just over a hundred years? It was not just "some text", but part of a greater whole of scriptures prevalent in the early church.

Gospel of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was even a bigger find of old gospels in 1945!

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You claim it was "prevalent" in the early church. But nobody had heard about it before 100 years ago? How stupid are you?

 

[Sky Dancer]

1. Cultural bias
The Church’s practice of not ordaining women as priests was based on a three-fold prejudice against women. This affected the judgment of Church leaders. click!

2. One priesthood in Christ
Through baptism women and men share equally in the new priesthood of Christ.
This includes openness to Holy Orders. click!

3. Empowered to preside
At the Last Supper Jesus empowered both women and men. Both can be ordained to preside at the Eucharist. click!

4. Women have been deacons
Until at least the ninth century the Church gave women the full sacramental ordination of deacons. This proves women can be ordained. click!

5. The ability for women to be ordained has been present in the Church’s latent Tradition.
One example is the age-long devotion to Mary as Priest. It shows that, according to the ‘sense of the faithful’, in Mary the ban against women has already been overcome. click!

6. The wider Church accepts women priests
After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ. click!

7. Women too are, in fact, called to be priests
The fact that many responsible Catholic women discern in themselves a vocation to the priesthood is a sign of the Holy Spirit we may not ignore. click!

Conclusion: there are no valid arguments against women priests, and many truly Catholic arguments in favour!


Seven Reasons why

 

[del]

So you believe that some text that pops up invalidates 20 centuries of scholarship? You really are stupid.

I'm saying how can you have 20 centuries of scholarship on a text that been around for just over a hundred years? It was not just "some text", but part of a greater whole of scriptures prevalent in the early church.

Gospel of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was even a bigger find of old gospels in 1945!

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You claim it was "prevalent" in the early church. But nobody had heard about it before 100 years ago? How stupid are you?

don't worry.

you've still got a commanding lead.

 

[Artevelde]

1. Cultural bias
The Church’s practice of not ordaining women as priests was based on a three-fold prejudice against women. This affected the judgment of Church leaders. click!

2. One priesthood in Christ
Through baptism women and men share equally in the new priesthood of Christ.
This includes openness to Holy Orders. click!

3. Empowered to preside
At the Last Supper Jesus empowered both women and men. Both can be ordained to preside at the Eucharist. click!

4. Women have been deacons
Until at least the ninth century the Church gave women the full sacramental ordination of deacons. This proves women can be ordained. click!

5. The ability for women to be ordained has been present in the Church’s latent Tradition.
One example is the age-long devotion to Mary as Priest. It shows that, according to the ‘sense of the faithful’, in Mary the ban against women has already been overcome. click!

6. The wider Church accepts women priests
After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ. click!

7. Women too are, in fact, called to be priests
The fact that many responsible Catholic women discern in themselves a vocation to the priesthood is a sign of the Holy Spirit we may not ignore. click!

Conclusion: there are no valid arguments against women priests, and many truly Catholic arguments in favour!


Seven Reasons why

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

 

[konradv]

So you believe that some text that pops up invalidates 20 centuries of scholarship? You really are stupid.

I'm saying how can you have 20 centuries of scholarship on a text that been around for just over a hundred years? It was not just "some text", but part of a greater whole of scriptures prevalent in the early church.

Gospel of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was even a bigger find of old gospels in 1945!

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You claim it was "prevalent" in the early church. But nobody had heard about it before 100 years ago? How stupid are you?

Because some of them have been referenced in other works, but their texts never found until relatively recently. How stupid would you have to be to dismiss something as unimportant that was hidden away and preserved? It tells me those books were read and loved by some.

 

[Artevelde]

I'm saying how can you have 20 centuries of scholarship on a text that been around for just over a hundred years? It was not just "some text", but part of a greater whole of scriptures prevalent in the early church.

Gospel of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was even a bigger find of old gospels in 1945!

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You claim it was "prevalent" in the early church. But nobody had heard about it before 100 years ago? How stupid are you?

Because some of them have been referenced in other works, but their texts never found until relatively recently. How stupid would you have to be to dismiss something as unimportant that was hidden away and preserved? It tells me those books were read and loved by some.

That doesn't tell you anything about their veracity or worth.

 

[Sky Dancer]

1. Cultural bias
The Church’s practice of not ordaining women as priests was based on a three-fold prejudice against women. This affected the judgment of Church leaders. click!

2. One priesthood in Christ
Through baptism women and men share equally in the new priesthood of Christ.
This includes openness to Holy Orders. click!

3. Empowered to preside
At the Last Supper Jesus empowered both women and men. Both can be ordained to preside at the Eucharist. click!

4. Women have been deacons
Until at least the ninth century the Church gave women the full sacramental ordination of deacons. This proves women can be ordained. click!

5. The ability for women to be ordained has been present in the Church’s latent Tradition.
One example is the age-long devotion to Mary as Priest. It shows that, according to the ‘sense of the faithful’, in Mary the ban against women has already been overcome. click!

6. The wider Church accepts women priests
After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ. click!

7. Women too are, in fact, called to be priests
The fact that many responsible Catholic women discern in themselves a vocation to the priesthood is a sign of the Holy Spirit we may not ignore. click!

Conclusion: there are no valid arguments against women priests, and many truly Catholic arguments in favour!


Seven Reasons why

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

http://www.womensordination.org/content/view/57/117/

 

[konradv]

You claim it was "prevalent" in the early church. But nobody had heard about it before 100 years ago? How stupid are you?

Because some of them have been referenced in other works, but their texts never found until relatively recently. How stupid would you have to be to dismiss something as unimportant that was hidden away and preserved? It tells me those books were read and loved by some.

That doesn't tell you anything about their veracity or worth.

That's the job of scholars, but the scholarship in question isn't 20 centuries old, because those gospels had been lost. They're interesting in that they tell us about a church before it was forced into orthodoxy by a Roman Emperor more interested in power and control than doctrine.

 

[konradv]

1. Cultural bias
The Church’s practice of not ordaining women as priests was based on a three-fold prejudice against women. This affected the judgment of Church leaders. click!

2. One priesthood in Christ
Through baptism women and men share equally in the new priesthood of Christ.
This includes openness to Holy Orders. click!

3. Empowered to preside
At the Last Supper Jesus empowered both women and men. Both can be ordained to preside at the Eucharist. click!

4. Women have been deacons
Until at least the ninth century the Church gave women the full sacramental ordination of deacons. This proves women can be ordained. click!

5. The ability for women to be ordained has been present in the Church’s latent Tradition.
One example is the age-long devotion to Mary as Priest. It shows that, according to the ‘sense of the faithful’, in Mary the ban against women has already been overcome. click!

6. The wider Church accepts women priests
After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ. click!

7. Women too are, in fact, called to be priests
The fact that many responsible Catholic women discern in themselves a vocation to the priesthood is a sign of the Holy Spirit we may not ignore. click!

Conclusion: there are no valid arguments against women priests, and many truly Catholic arguments in favour!


Seven Reasons why

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

Women's Ordination Conference - Impact of Catholic Feminist Dissent

Considering the problems with pedophilia, it's a no-brainer to open up the priesthood to women and married men. Even without that problem, the church has had a problem with declining vocations for decades.

 

[Artevelde]

1. Cultural bias
The Church’s practice of not ordaining women as priests was based on a three-fold prejudice against women. This affected the judgment of Church leaders. click!

2. One priesthood in Christ
Through baptism women and men share equally in the new priesthood of Christ.
This includes openness to Holy Orders. click!

3. Empowered to preside
At the Last Supper Jesus empowered both women and men. Both can be ordained to preside at the Eucharist. click!

4. Women have been deacons
Until at least the ninth century the Church gave women the full sacramental ordination of deacons. This proves women can be ordained. click!

5. The ability for women to be ordained has been present in the Church’s latent Tradition.
One example is the age-long devotion to Mary as Priest. It shows that, according to the ‘sense of the faithful’, in Mary the ban against women has already been overcome. click!

6. The wider Church accepts women priests
After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ. click!

7. Women too are, in fact, called to be priests
The fact that many responsible Catholic women discern in themselves a vocation to the priesthood is a sign of the Holy Spirit we may not ignore. click!

Conclusion: there are no valid arguments against women priests, and many truly Catholic arguments in favour!


Seven Reasons why

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

Women's Ordination Conference - Impact of Catholic Feminist Dissent

I have news for you: US Catholics form only a very tiny minority of Catholics. But I understand that for you the world is limited to your own front yard.

 

[Artevelde]

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

Women's Ordination Conference - Impact of Catholic Feminist Dissent

Considering the problems with pedophilia, it's a no-brainer to open up the priesthood to women and married men. Even without that problem, the church has had a problem with declining vocations for decades.

People with small brains only see the immediate and their immediate surroundings.

 

[Sky Dancer]

You realize most of these things are simply lies, right.

And the idea that there is a "growing consensus" on women priests? Do you get out much? The vast and overwhelming majority of Christians belong to Churches who do NOT accept women priests. This is a very marginal trend, currently destroying the Anglican Communion.

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

Women's Ordination Conference - Impact of Catholic Feminist Dissent

I have news for you: US Catholics form only a very tiny minority of Catholics. But I understand that for you the world is limited to your own front yard.

So? Maybe it will US Catholics that bring the rest of the Catholic world around. It's time for women to be ordained as priests.

 

[Artevelde]

Actually lay Catholics favor women being ordained as priests. It's the Catholic autocracy that doesn't.

In 1974, 29% of Catholics favored women’s ordination. By 1985, eleven years later, 47% did. In 1992 and in polls since, about two-thirds of Catholics -- and in at last one poll, 80% of those under 35 -- agreed that women should be ordained.

Women's Ordination Conference - Impact of Catholic Feminist Dissent

I have news for you: US Catholics form only a very tiny minority of Catholics. But I understand that for you the world is limited to your own front yard.

So? Maybe it will US Catholics that bring the rest of the Catholic world around. It's time for women to be ordained.

No it is not. Do you think the Roman Catholic Church wants to go down like the Anglican Communion?