Is the French healthcare system a good model for the U.S.?

Chris

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MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians.

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe
 
They also have a 40 percent tax rate, you still are REQUIRED to buy a gap insurance for 25 percent of the med costs, and unemployment has been much higher than in the U.S. over the past 15 years. Chrissy Che needs to quit dreaming.
 
I am SOOO glad that Chris has found another way to parrot WHO's bullshit rankings again, just in case there's still someone out there who hasn't heard it yet.
 
They also have a 40 percent tax rate, you still are REQUIRED to buy a gap insurance for 25 percent of the med costs, and unemployment has been much higher than in the U.S. over the past 15 years. Chrissy Che needs to quit dreaming.
One is not required to purchase gap insurance. Many do, but it's at a reasonable price, unlike here.
 
Bullshit.

None of you whining little bitches has the spine to get the fuck out and go live in those European socialist worker's paradises.

thats because they have it good over here....and they know it....L.K.Eder one of our posters is from Germany.....read his posts on their health care system....he says that they are finding to be viable they must make some kind of a profit,and he said it is starting to go from the patients health to profit orientated...sound familiar?....
 
The usual rogues gallery of ignorance.

Our system is incredibly expensive and unfair. The French system is better.

We could learn from them.
 
As of 2003, the average income of a French physician was estimated at $55,000; in the U.S. the comparable number was $194,000....Did I mention that health care is a labor-intensive industry? This is the major reason why French health care is cheaper than U.S. health care
Greg Mankiw's Blog: Striking Health Care Fact

You libs are funny. First it was "We want Britain's model" until people learned about them pulling their own teeth. Then it was "Canada is the best!" until we learned that the rich come here for surgery. Now it's Germany, France, Cuba, Denmark, ....

How about if the politicians look at all these models, take a breather, and transform 1/6 of our economy based on what works best? How about if they take their time, and focus on the needs of the citizens and not just the illegals? How about if they stop hating America so much? Is that too much to ask for.

BTW
 
As of 2003, the average income of a French physician was estimated at $55,000; in the U.S. the comparable number was $194,000....Did I mention that health care is a labor-intensive industry? This is the major reason why French health care is cheaper than U.S. health care
Greg Mankiw's Blog: Striking Health Care Fact

You libs are funny. First it was "We want Britain's model" until people learned about them pulling their own teeth. Then it was "Canada is the best!" until we learned that the rich come here for surgery. Now it's Germany, France, Cuba, Denmark, ....

How about if the politicians look at all these models, take a breather, and transform 1/6 of our economy based on what works best? How about if they take their time, and focus on the needs of the citizens and not just the illegals? How about if they stop hating America so much? Is that too much to ask for.

BTW
Chrissy and his ilk keep moving the goal posts, then claim things are "unfair".
The only reason he doesn't eat shit sandwiches is because he doesn't like bread.
 
They also have a 40 percent tax rate, you still are REQUIRED to buy a gap insurance for 25 percent of the med costs, and unemployment has been much higher than in the U.S. over the past 15 years. Chrissy Che needs to quit dreaming.

I bet Chrissy would gladly pay a 40% tax rate on his income for free health care.
Fucking health care for $40 is a bargain. To him.
 
Any system has to be better than any US model. Even patients with health insurance are getting ripped off and when people are queuing in fields for free health care you know the shits hit the fan.

America will never have a good health, education etc. untill it stops spending trillions on war and weapons, stops all the fat cats bleeding the country dry and all the other turds that are running the show or should that be ruining it.

Health care in the EU is generally very good and it could be so in the US if the people just got up off their fat arses and did something about it.
 
The usual rogues gallery of ignorance.

Our system is incredibly expensive and unfair. The French system is better.

We could learn from them.

Yes we could learn to have 40 percent taxes and unemployment up the ass. Of course, you would like the "up the ass" part.
 
Chrissy thinks our system is unfair because he actually has to pay for it. He doesn't like not being allowed to be a parasite.
 
Any system has to be better than any US model. Even patients with health insurance are getting ripped off and when people are queuing in fields for free health care you know the shits hit the fan.

America will never have a good health, education etc. untill it stops spending trillions on war and weapons, stops all the fat cats bleeding the country dry and all the other turds that are running the show or should that be ruining it.

Health care in the EU is generally very good and it could be so in the US if the people just got up off their fat arses and did something about it.

An example of the effects of a government solving every problem that citizens encounter.
Credibility in spotlight as France charts deficit goals - Yahoo! Finance
Credibility in spotlight as France charts deficit goals

By Tamora Vidaillet - Analysis

PARIS (Reuters) - France has outlined ambitious reduction goals for its public deficit once recovery emerges, but a tarnished track record and the risk of a lax approach in the run-up to 2012 elections are raising doubts over its ability to deliver.

Public sector spending -- which towers above 50 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) -- has outstripped revenues since the mid-1970s, with the deficit set to hit 7 to 7.5 percent of GDP this year and next.


While the budget gaps of some countries will be more dramatic, France could lag in efforts to rein in the shortfall once growth returns unless it strengthens its political will and embraces austerity measures, analysts say.

Such concerns could ultimately push up borrowing costs for the euro zone's second biggest economy and add it to the list of nations whose elite AAA credit ratings have become open to question.

Laying out his strategy, Budget Minister Eric Woerth told Reuters last week of plans to bring the French deficit in line with European Union borrowing rules of 3 percent of GDP in 2013 or 2014. That already rolled back on pre-crisis goals of balancing the books by 2012 at the latest.

"They will definitely have to implement it and the market will not take it for a given that they will do it because the track record is very mixed," Laurent Bilke, a senior economist with Nomura International, said of overall reduction goals.

Already, France has shown signs of ignoring warnings about its spiralling public debt by promising to raise a national loan to finance investment, which the media has suggested could be worth as much as 100 billion euros (86.2 billion pounds).

The spread between sought-after French debt and German bunds has held largely steady in recent months, with yield levels kept apart more by the attraction of the high liquidity of the benchmark German market than by jitters over French finances.

In the past three months, the 10-year French OAT has yielded 30-45 basis points more than equivalent euro zone benchmark German Bunds, versus around 65 bps at the height of the credit crisis in the first quarter of the year.

But with French debt as a percentage of GDP set to rise to 77 percent this year and 83 percent in 2010, well above the EU's 60 percent threshold, the risk of that spread widening is real.

That could ramp up French borrowing costs, jeopardising the country's ability to finance its social security system and ultimately, the French way of life.

"If people get concerned that the consolidation program doesn't look like it is going to come to fruition, then we might see some widening," said Brian Coulton, Head of Global Economics at Fitch Ratings.

RATINGS RISK

France's triple-A rating could also be called into question, in principle, unless the country gets to grips with its deficit when its economic fortunes improve, said Coulton.

"If we don't see a more assertive approach on fiscal consolidation and we see the government debt to GDP ratio continue to rise sharply .... that could become a concern."

Ratings agencies have stepped up monitoring of nations with triple-A credit ratings including Britain and Germany given rapidly rising debt-to-GDP ratios.

In May Standard and Poor's said Britain's credit rating outlook was "negative" and no longer "stable".

Economists are already waging bets that when growth appears, France may be tempted to shy away from difficult choices while President Nicolas Sarkozy seeks re-election in 2012.


"The government probably wants to reduce the deficit, but the question is will the political will be sufficient?," said Philippe Waechter, director of economic research at Natixis.

"If the president is preparing for the 2012 elections, can he raise taxes or cut spending in 2011? This will be a complex political equation."
 
Any system has to be better than any US model. Even patients with health insurance are getting ripped off and when people are queuing in fields for free health care you know the shits hit the fan.

America will never have a good health, education etc. untill it stops spending trillions on war and weapons, stops all the fat cats bleeding the country dry and all the other turds that are running the show or should that be ruining it.

Health care in the EU is generally very good and it could be so in the US if the people just got up off their fat arses and did something about it.

If "any system has to be better than any US model", feel free to go to Darfur or Liberia for your medical care.
 

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