Is the economic Pie FIXED in size..Democrats believe so...

[Toddsterpatriot]

When did Obama EVER claim that the economy cannot grow?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0JkyZx1LdQ]Obama: You've Made Enough Money - YouTube[/ame]

 

[8537]

Who said GDP was fixed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do Republicans want to run the government when they say it can't work? Doesn't Iraq and Katrina and Afghanistan and the economy and all the other Republican disasters prove it's Republicans who can't run government?

Doesn't the last 43 months prove it's Obama who can't run government?

 

[8537]

When did Obama EVER claim that the economy cannot grow?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0JkyZx1LdQ]Obama: You've Made Enough Money - YouTube[/ame]

That has nothing to do with a claim that the value of goods and services produced can not increase.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When did Obama EVER claim that the economy cannot grow?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0JkyZx1LdQ]Obama: You've Made Enough Money - YouTube[/ame]

That has nothing to do with a claim that the value of goods and services produced can not increase.

You've made enough, stop stealing from the rest of us.
The pie is fixed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If this 'pie' is so infinite, how come per capita GDP is lower now than it was in 2007?

 

[8537]

Obama: You've Made Enough Money - YouTube

That has nothing to do with a claim that the value of goods and services produced can not increase.

You've made enough, stop stealing from the rest of us.
The pie is fixed.

The pie doesn't get larger when one group garners a larger piece.

The pie gets larger when the economy becomes productive.

The pie is not fixed regardless of the size of each slice.

 

[8537]

If this 'pie' is so infinite, how come per capita GDP is lower now than it was in 2007?

Because the people who manage the pie face a shortage of demand for the ingredients.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That has nothing to do with a claim that the value of goods and services produced can not increase.

You've made enough, stop stealing from the rest of us.
The pie is fixed.

The pie doesn't get larger when one group garners a larger piece.

The pie gets larger when the economy becomes productive.

The pie is not fixed regardless of the size of each slice.

If I make more than Obama feels is "enough", the pie doesn't shrink for the rest of the country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If this 'pie' is so infinite, how come per capita GDP is lower now than it was in 2007?

The pie doesn't grow when the government keeps trying to kill the pie makers.

 

[8537]

You've made enough, stop stealing from the rest of us.
The pie is fixed.

The pie doesn't get larger when one group garners a larger piece.

The pie gets larger when the economy becomes productive.

The pie is not fixed regardless of the size of each slice.

If I make more than Obama feels is "enough", the pie doesn't shrink for the rest of the country.

The slice of everyone else's pie at a fixed point in time must shrink if your slice grows.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who said GDP was fixed?

The insane OP is trying to argue against some made-up position for the president, as was Ryan.

The sad part is, Ryan's, and Romney's, budgets get the lion's share of their cuts from cutting programs for poor/low income Americans.

It's no wonder they don't want to talk about 'the pie'.

Ryan's cuts:

Romney's are even worse for the poor.

Read about it here:

The real Romney-Ryan budgets cuts aren’t to Medicare. They’re to programs for the poor.

 

[8537]

If this 'pie' is so infinite, how come per capita GDP is lower now than it was in 2007?

The pie doesn't grow when the government keeps trying to kill the pie makers.

But the pie's been growing since 6 months after Obama took office. You can't exactly hold Obama responsible for Bush killing the pie makers.

<I fear we are over stretching the crust of this analogy!>

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The pie doesn't get larger when one group garners a larger piece.

The pie gets larger when the economy becomes productive.

The pie is not fixed regardless of the size of each slice.

If I make more than Obama feels is "enough", the pie doesn't shrink for the rest of the country.

The slice of everyone else's pie at a fixed point in time must shrink if your slice grows.

How does my slice grow at a fixed point in time?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If this 'pie' is so infinite, how come per capita GDP is lower now than it was in 2007?

The pie doesn't grow when the government keeps trying to kill the pie makers.

But the pie's been growing since 6 months after Obama took office. You can't exactly hold Obama responsible for Bush killing the pie makers.

<I fear we are over stretching the crust of this analogy!>

You're right, 43 months into his term, I don't hold Obama responsible for much of anything.

 

[8537]

The pie doesn't grow when the government keeps trying to kill the pie makers.

But the pie's been growing since 6 months after Obama took office. You can't exactly hold Obama responsible for Bush killing the pie makers.

<I fear we are over stretching the crust of this analogy!>

You're right, 43 months into his term, I don't hold Obama responsible for much of anything.

But 6 months into his term, an economy that was losing 9% of it's pies circumference began increasing it's circumference. Do you hold him responsible for the change from -9% when he took office to growth six months later?

 

[8537]

If I make more than Obama feels is "enough", the pie doesn't shrink for the rest of the country.

The slice of everyone else's pie at a fixed point in time must shrink if your slice grows.

How does my slice grow at a fixed point in time?

By that point in time being the time when your pie grows. A tax cut, for instance, would increase your piece at that point in time.

 

[francoHFW]

You dupes have absolutely NO CLUE what liberals think or anything else. Of course the GDP is not finite. BUT the richest have tripled their wealth under voodoo while the nonrich and the country have gone to hell. MORONS

 

[healthmyths]

The only thing being resurrected in this thread is the failed theory of trickle down,

just re-packaged.

So you think I made up these GDP numbers?

You know the really disgusting aspect about comments like yours is you do provide ANY sources or documentation!
NO wonder people consider comments like yours as being so unworthy of attention!

I've proved to you that the PIE is not finite.
That you don't have to be an animal like you to tear and claw for your share!
Because of the rich and their taxes.. cause you obviously have never paid any..
We have the internet.. remember TAX payers NOT Govt. Research as Obama said funded the Govt. TAXES!
We have our educational system ALL paid for NOT by Govt. BY taxes! Paid By TaX payers not by you!

So when idiots like you spout the "failed" trickle down theory all I ask is then where did the $15 trillion in todays GDP go?

Now here is an even BIGGER question for you finite pie asses:
What has happened to the $298.9 Trillion since 1790?

Well for one thing the total value of Americans is
AGAIN FACTS to support MY statements.. WHERE ARE YOURS??

Q4 2011
B.100 Balance Sheet of Households and Nonprofit Organizations
Assets $73,518.3
Liabilities $13,481.0
Net worth $60,037.3

B.102 Balance Sheet of Nonfinancial Corporate Business

Assets $30,044.8
Liabilities $13,886.9
Net worth $16,157.9

B.103 Balance Sheet of Nonfinancial Noncorporate Business

Assets $12,995.1
Liabilities $5,561.5
Net worth $7,433.6


Totals Assets/Liabilities Net worth of households,corporate & noncorporate businesses
Assets $116,558.2
Liabilities $32,929.4
Net worth $83,628.8


http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/z1r-5.pdf[/URL

Now for you idiots.. Assets are what is OWNED Liabilities is what is OWED
NET Worth is after subtracting what is OWED from what is OWNED..
The entire NET worth of households/businesses is $83.628 TRILLION!!!

NOW explain again why "Trickle down doesn't work?"
GDP in 2011 $15.09 trillion... Americans NET worth is $83.6 Trillion!

Tell me again WHERE trickle down doesn't work????

Nobody here knows what you're talking about. That means nobody, including you.

So let me make it simpler for idiots like YOU!
If over several years you are paid money for work (as unlikely as that might be)..
and you are just a little savvy you buy a house.
You make payments and overtime the house is paid off.
Remember OVER TIME!!!

Well since basically 1790 most people have worked.
Most people have accumulated houses, businesses, property ASSETS!!!
Most people may have had debt or .. LIABILITIES
When the federal government tracks Assets and liabilities and subtract the liabilities.
IT means there are $83 trillion left over!
Do you understand that???
HOW did these people get $83 trillion in net worth ???
DUH! I am so tired of dumb f..ks like you who can't even subtract!

So tell me again IF THERE WASN"T a growing pie and trickle down how did these people get $83 trillion in net worth??

GEEZ I can't believe how f...king dumb you are!

 

[8537]

So you think I made up these GDP numbers?

You know the really disgusting aspect about comments like yours is you do provide ANY sources or documentation!
NO wonder people consider comments like yours as being so unworthy of attention!

I've proved to you that the PIE is not finite.
That you don't have to be an animal like you to tear and claw for your share!
Because of the rich and their taxes.. cause you obviously have never paid any..
We have the internet.. remember TAX payers NOT Govt. Research as Obama said funded the Govt. TAXES!
We have our educational system ALL paid for NOT by Govt. BY taxes! Paid By TaX payers not by you!

So when idiots like you spout the "failed" trickle down theory all I ask is then where did the $15 trillion in todays GDP go?

Now here is an even BIGGER question for you finite pie asses:
What has happened to the $298.9 Trillion since 1790?

Well for one thing the total value of Americans is
AGAIN FACTS to support MY statements.. WHERE ARE YOURS??

Q4 2011
B.100 Balance Sheet of Households and Nonprofit Organizations
Assets $73,518.3
Liabilities $13,481.0
Net worth $60,037.3

B.102 Balance Sheet of Nonfinancial Corporate Business

Assets $30,044.8
Liabilities $13,886.9
Net worth $16,157.9

B.103 Balance Sheet of Nonfinancial Noncorporate Business

Assets $12,995.1
Liabilities $5,561.5
Net worth $7,433.6


Totals Assets/Liabilities Net worth of households,corporate & noncorporate businesses
Assets $116,558.2
Liabilities $32,929.4
Net worth $83,628.8


http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/z1r-5.pdf[/URL

Now for you idiots.. Assets are what is OWNED Liabilities is what is OWED
NET Worth is after subtracting what is OWED from what is OWNED..
The entire NET worth of households/businesses is $83.628 TRILLION!!!

NOW explain again why "Trickle down doesn't work?"
GDP in 2011 $15.09 trillion... Americans NET worth is $83.6 Trillion!

Tell me again WHERE trickle down doesn't work????

Nobody here knows what you're talking about. That means nobody, including you.

So let me make it simpler for idiots like YOU!
If over several years you are paid money for work (as unlikely as that might be)..
and you are just a little savvy you buy a house.
You make payments and overtime the house is paid off.
Remember OVER TIME!!!

Well since basically 1790 most people have worked.
Most people have accumulated houses, businesses, property ASSETS!!!
Most people may have had debt or .. LIABILITIES
When the federal government tracks Assets and liabilities and subtract the liabilities.
IT means there are $83 trillion left over!
Do you understand that???
HOW did these people get $83 trillion in net worth ???
DUH! I am so tired of dumb f..ks like you who can't even subtract!

So tell me again IF THERE WASN"T a growing pie and trickle down how did these people get $83 trillion in net worth??

GEEZ I can't believe how f...king dumb you are!

Help me out here - are you saying that the act of purchasing a home and paying off the loan makes the pie larger?

<hint for the cheap seats: There's a reason why purchasing a home does not contribute to GDP>