Is the Draft Coming??

[freeandfun1]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...scans_ready_reserve_for_possible_active_duty/

The Army is considering calling up the IRR (Individual Ready Reserve). These are the last folks they can force to serve without implementing the draft. Once these folks are called up, there ain't nobody left... get ready for the draft folks!

(I have completed my 8 year requirement as a male.... I feel for all you that still have time to serve! lol)

 

[insein]

There definitely won't be a draft. It would be political suicde for both parties. That alone will tie the hands of the politicians.

 

[Annie]

I don't think there is a draft coming either:

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004513.asp

Volunteers Replacing Amerian Iraq Losses
by James Dunnigan
May 13, 2004
Discussion Board on this DLS topic
The U.S. Army, which is taking the bulk of the casualties in Iraq, is still getting more volunteers than it needs. Standards have remained high, but the numbers needed have gone up as well. With over 6,000 casualties in Iraq during the last year, the number of new troops needed this year has been increased from 72,000 to 77,000. Most of the wounded troops return to duty, but all are out of action for days, or months, or forever in the case of the dead and crippled. This is all uncharted territory for the army, as it has been over 150 years since it was in a long war with an all-volunteer force.

The army has about eleven percent of its total (active and reserve) strength in Iraq, and the casualties are, in a historical first, disproportionately non-combat troops. This means that those joining the army can’t guarantee they will stay away from combat by enlisting for a non-combat job. If you go to Iraq or Afghanistan, you are going to be shot at. Army basic training has been made longer, and more combat oriented as a result.

Anyone going to Iraq has a 4-5 percent chance of getting hurt. But so far that has not caused a decline in volunteers, despite media reports recruiting would suffer. There may yet be a decline in volunteers, and the army is paying close attention to recruiting efforts in order to detect any problems early, so they can try and counter them. One thing the army has noted is the increasing number of volunteers who are joining up not for the educational benefits or the money. Now a major incentive is patriotism. Many young Americans believe that Islamic radicals are a real threat to the United States and want to do something about it. But in past wars, this sort of enthusiasm diminished as the war went on. Historically, after three years, the number of volunteers declined dramatically. But in those past wars, mainly the Civil War and World War II, the casualties were high. This is not the case in Iraq, a war with historically very low casualties. No one knows what impact all this will have. There are still enough troops coming back dead or maimed to remind potential volunteers that this is a dangerous business. But since there is no precedent for a situation like this, the army can only watch, and wait.

 

[supermarine]

when they used the draft in wwii, that was perfectly fine because we were fighting a nessassary war. Korean war was dicy, because it wasnt absoulutly necessary. In vietnam it was a complete failure. I think that the military has learned to mainly depend on voluntiers, and will only reinstate the draft if there is a threat with another semi or world superpower. And if we need more troops, why wont we try a penal volontier suicidal division. Hey, whell give em a little trainin, empty the prisions full of crime people,send em into suicidal situations to lower the casualties of our real soldiers, and if a criminal happens to survive long enough, whell let him move to argintina or sumthin. Hey we'll lose the cost to maintain those fukcing prisorners, and to avoid the liberal media, we'll make it "volontary". hey thats not a bad idea. MAn im smart.

 

[Avatar4321]

It doesnt matter to me whether there is a draft or not.

 

[Patriot]

Only the politicians are thinking about a draft and NOT the Pentagon! If anyone remembers Vietnam one then remembers the draft was a disaster! Hence the need for an all volunteer military.

 

[DKSuddeth]

The attrition rate in the war on terror will necessitate a draft. It won't matter what hands politicians may think they have tied. 2 years, there will be a draft.

 

[insein]

I think a regrouping after we establish Afghanistan and Iraq would be a better bet. Jumping right into another ground campaign right away would be too taxing on the soldiers and the American people. The reason we went into Afghanistan so quickly was because Al Queda had bases there. The reason we went into IRaq is because we've had sanctions for 12 years and we tried all diplomatic courses. We will try diplomatic courses if possible at first before we commit to another ground campaign.

That is why a draft will not be neccessary.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
The attrition rate in the war on terror will necessitate a draft. It won't matter what hands politicians may think they have tied. 2 years, there will be a draft.

That doesn't make much sense. What is our attrition rate? I can guarantee we've enlisted VASTLY more people in the last year than we've lost during the war.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
The attrition rate in the war on terror will necessitate a draft. It won't matter what hands politicians may think they have tied. 2 years, there will be a draft.

I was beginning to feel like the only one with enough foresight to see this.

If anyone thinks the "war on terror" is going to be fuelled by infinite volunteers for the next 10 years, they are nuts.

We DO face off directly opposed to nearly every nation in the world over the war on terror and economics. When the EU and UN decide to scowl at us, it has military ramifications in hostile warring areas that oppose the US. Political ties create military and economic support.

We have been pulling away from the world as it has drifted toward socialism.

How do we fight this WITHOUT a draft?

Has anyone figured out yet that we aren't exactly cash positive and in a great relationship with big military power anywhere else in the world?

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Has anyone figured out yet that we aren't exactly cash positive and in a great relationship with big military power anywhere else in the world?

What military powers?

 

[Patriot]

What part of the draft was a disaster doesn't anyone get. The miltary cant force someone to fight if they dont want to. AGAIN the pentagon ONLY wants an all volunteer miltary.


Look people! The miltary has people waiting to join. Untill the miltary gets the approved budget by congess to open said slots my niece is in a holding pattern waiting to get in! And she aint the only one. There are volunteers up the ass! AND THEY WANT TO FIGHT!

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Patriot
What part of the draft was a disaster doesn't anyone get. The miltary cant force someone to fight if they dont want to. AGAIN the pentagon ONLY wants an all volunteer miltary.


Look people! The miltary has people waiting to join. Untill the miltary gets the approved budget by congess to open said slots my niece is in a holding pattern waiting to get in! And she aint the only one. There are volunteers up the ass! AND THEY WANT TO FIGHT!

The draft doesn't work that way according to the bill. Have you read the bill yet? It isn't so that they do a lotto like everyone thinks. It is mandatory military service for EVERY citizen. -Desk jockey or gun carrier.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
Someone here not want to go if drafted? I would go for sure!

If we were within 100 years of the American revolution, I would volunteer.

Since I can't believe or trust the people in charge, and I have seen how well they respect the founding documents they swear to uphold, I wouldn't trust them to lead a pledge much less me in combat.

I have zero respect for our "politicans", "leaders", and "government officials" until they can prove themselves public servants with our best interests in mind and are willing to bring honor instead of disgrace to our national foundation.

As far as the military specifically, they are too powerful a tool in the hands of corrupt people who use the force unconstitutionally and illegally repeatedly. I WILL NOT be a part of that.

-Now you give me my Constitutional right to be part of a militia in defense of America (not a government military which is a seperate Constitutional provision), full funding for "defensive" equipment and amnesty, and I will have FUN making mincemeat of any threat to this country.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
What military powers?

You misunderstand my statement.

The point was that there ARE NO VALID ALLIANCES with anyone and the US anywhere in the world as far as military.

They all side with the EU either politically, or out of fear of being seen with us, or out of hate for us.

 

[Patriot]

Originally posted by NewGuy
If we were within 100 years of the American revolution, I would volunteer.

Since I can't believe or trust the people in charge, and I have seen how well they respect the founding documents they swear to uphold, I wouldn't trust them to lead a pledge much less me in combat.

I have zero respect for our "politicans", "leaders", and "government officials" until they can prove themselves public servants with our best interests in mind and are willing to bring honor instead of disgrace to our national foundation.

As far as the military specifically, they are too powerful a tool in the hands of corrupt people who use the force unconstitutionally and illegally repeatedly. I WILL NOT be a part of that.

-Now you give me my Constitutional right to be part of a militia in defense of America (not a government military which is a seperate Constitutional provision), full funding for "defensive" equipment and amnesty, and I will have FUN making mincemeat of any threat to this country.

You just proved my point as to why the Pentagon does not want the draft and that the draft wont work.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
well, I guess that was simply put!

Sorry, that was a hot button!

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Patriot
You just proved my point as to why the Pentagon does not want the draft and that the draft wont work.

It always works for dictatorships.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
Someone here not want to go if drafted? I would go for sure!

As would i. Some people may be afraid to die for their country. Ill just respond. id just respond that im not serving to die for my country. Im serving so that the terrorists die for theirs. (interchange country with cause etc)

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by NewGuy
You misunderstand my statement.

The pont was that there ARE NO VALID ALLIANCES with anyone and the US anywhere in the world as far as military.

They all side with the EU either politically, or out of fear of being seen with us, or out of hate for us.

Well you are right i did misunderstand. sorry about that.